Sorry Kindle, You're Not Invited - Page 12

ApK · 03-31-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blue_skies

Well Amazon will not sell me any books, unless I can read them from the library first. I have wasted way too much money in my lifetime buying books I did not like. Now I will not buy it unless I can read it first and determine that it is a book I would like to own.

I'm the same way, but with Amazon's free samples, some enticingly low prices and the way-too convenient one-touch purchasing and instant delivery, I find my self buying more than I thought I would. Sort of like shopping at a cheap used book store....the sample looks good...99 cents, what the heck....

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If Amazon supported library borrowing out of the box, I would buy a Kindle in a heartbeat and also buy them for my parents who are voracious readers. They always have books from the library, but would not be interested in anything complicated to be able to read ebooks from the library on a Kindle.

Amazon would make a lot more money from me if they supported library lending.

If you are not interested in buying from Amazon and you want library lending, why consider a Kindle? Why not a nook classic. say?
(I know there are reasons, I'm just curious as to yours.)

ApK

ApK · 03-31-2011, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by covingtoncat73

Amazon wants to sell Kindles, not books. If they wanted to sell books, they would sell ePubs as well as Mobis. Same with B&N. They want to sell Nooks, not books. They may sell ePubs but, due to DRM, they only work on Nooks.

I disagree.
We'll know for sure if they start giving Kindles away like some are predicting they will.

But I think Amazon wants to sell books. That's why the make free Kindle apps.
The Kindle system encourages you to buy mostly from them.

I predict that at some point, they'll decide hardware growth sales have flattened, and most folks who want a reader already have one, and the Kindle system as garnered them as many loyal customers as they can hope for, then maybe the WILL sell ebooks that work on other readers too.

ApK

mldavis2 · 03-31-2011, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blue_skies

I have wasted way too much money in my lifetime buying books I did not like. Now I will not buy it unless I can read it first and determine that it is a book I would like to own.

I suffered from the same problem. My solution was to join Goodreads.com which is a free, international web site. It has number of features (and no, I have no connection with them other than using the site) which make it a winner:

You can track the books you've read by entering them on your "read" list. There is a 5-star rating system and room for comments. They do recognize multiple editions of books including eBook formats, but you can use the default if you don't want to go to the trouble of finding the right one.

You can befriend people you know and trust who share your reading preferences and have access to their book lists and opinions and ratings.

There are literally thousands of people on Goodreads, so popular titles are highly commented and evaluated. It is rare to not find a title already listed but you can add new ones for indie authors if you need to.

One of my favorite features is that you can list books 'to-read'. I use this to enter titles that are recommended by friends before I forget them. Then when looking for the next book, I can scroll down through all my 'to-read' titles and pick one from the list. There are many good search sites for finding the best price on books or eBooks.

There are other features such as groups and reading lists but I don't often use them. Good site, very well controlled and no spam. Befriend only people you know and want to follow.

Sorry for the OT.

covingtoncat73 · 03-31-2011, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ApK

I disagree.
We'll know for sure if they start giving Kindles away like some are predicting they will.

But I think Amazon wants to sell books. That's why the make free Kindle apps.
The Kindle system encourages you to buy mostly from them.

I predict that at some point, they'll decide hardware growth sales have flattened, and most folks who want a reader already have one, and the Kindle system as garnered them as many loyal customers as they can hope for, then maybe the WILL sell ebooks that work on other readers too.

ApK

Oh, heck, I'd buy a Kindle right now as we speak if it was $75 or less, just to have access to Amazon's selection

Oh, mldavis2, I must check out Goodreads.

CRussel · 03-31-2011, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Exactly. It's not easy for the average non-techie.

Sorry, but it really IS easy. There are no scripts involved, no non-gui things to do, and it isn't even hard to find any more. Any user who can use Calibre can add the plug-ins required to remove DRM and read library books.

aagstn · 03-31-2011, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

it has already been established that it is NOT illegal, let alone unethical to do this for personal use.

PLEASE!!! quit disseminating false information!

In the US circumventing DRM is a direct violation of the DMCA and if you are caught it is a very big deal. Why hassle with it when you can just buy a nook or any other Adobe DRM compatible reader for library books.

Freeshadow · 03-31-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

it has already been established that it (DRM-stripping)is NOT illegal, let alone unethical to do this for personal use.

PLEASE!!! quit disseminating false information!

the question of legality depends of the country of the resident - unless assumed, that amazons Kindle is a US-only device; the statement that DRM-removal for private usage IS legal is false information IF countries are not specified.

Lemurion · 03-31-2011, 06:48 PM

I look at it this way: Amazon does not officially support reading library books on Kindle, so why should libraries support using Kindles to read library books?

There is also the DRM issue to contend with: Ignoring the legality of stripping DRM, one must also consider the fact that libraries are most likely contractually obligated to use DRM when lending books and that advising and assisting patrons to break said DRM may well be breach of that contract.

I am also concerned (as a layperson) that since most of the arguments supporting the legality of DRM-stripping do rest on the foundation of being able to do what one wants with one's own property, they may not apply to library books anyway.

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ApK

I emphatically disagree. It's totally on topic. Libraries include in their digital collection, books, music, movies and more in several formats. The end user lending agreements are typically the same or very similar, and in many cases, it's the very same infratructure that lends them all.
The point under discussion was that if there is no technological enforcement of the check out period, wouldn't everybody just start stealing library ebooks, keeping them forever?
Evidence to the contrary is that plenty of what the library lends has no technological enforcement in the first place and the library has no problem with that.

And as for audiobooks not being digital downloads...WTF?

No the topic is checking out library books on a kindle. WTF?

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by covingtoncat73

Oh, heck, I'd buy a Kindle right now as we speak if it was $75 or less, just to have access to Amazon's selection

Oh, mldavis2, I must check out Goodreads.

KindleforPC works great and is free.

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CRussel

Sorry, but it really IS easy. There are no scripts involved, no non-gui things to do, and it isn't even hard to find any more. Any user who can use Calibre can add the plug-ins required to remove DRM and read library books.

Well, I don't think so. If I asked my daughter or ex-wife to do it, they'd go to the library instead. And they are very typical users.

Lemurion · 03-31-2011, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

KindleforPC works great and is free.

So do both Kindle4Mac and Kindle4Android. It's easy to get access to Amazon books.

covingtoncat73 · 03-31-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

KindleforPC works great and is free.

Yeah, but I don't want to read on my computer. It is a laptop but it is old and 10lbs. Maybe if I get a netbook.

Lemurion · 03-31-2011, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by covingtoncat73

Yeah, but I don't want to read on my computer. It is a laptop but it is old and 10lbs. Maybe if I get a netbook.

However, if you get K4PC you can then download the books, and if so inclined strip the DRM and convert to ePub for your Kobo. It's the foot in the door.

ApK · 03-31-2011, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by aagstn

In the US circumventing DRM is a direct violation of the DMCA and if you are caught it is a very big deal.

Not according to the fifth circuit court. They say other circumstances have to be true to trigger the DMCA...like a copyright violation.
And the copyright office lists various other situations where circumventing DRM would not be illegal.

But this has all been done in other threads. A lot.

ApK

03-31-2011, 06:48 PM	#173
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I look at it this way: Amazon does not officially support reading library books on Kindle, so why should libraries support using Kindles to read library books? There is also the DRM issue to contend with: Ignoring the legality of stripping DRM, one must also consider the fact that libraries are most likely contractually obligated to use DRM when lending books and that advising and assisting patrons to break said DRM may well be breach of that contract. I am also concerned (as a layperson) that since most of the arguments supporting the legality of DRM-stripping do rest on the foundation of being able to do what one wants with one's own property, they may not apply to library books anyway. Last edited by Lemurion; 03-31-2011 at 06:50 PM. Reason: Smoothing the flow

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