Sorry Kindle, You're Not Invited - Page 6

tubemonkey · 03-31-2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

The speed with which you responded, leaves me questioning the veracity of the Infinite Monkey Theorem.

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kennyc · 03-31-2011, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

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nohmi2 · 03-31-2011, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by karunaji

I think that Kindlekitten is trolling but it is a well meaning troll. It is more important to let people know that they can read everything on Kindle and worry about technical details later than scare them of non-existing legal issues. Even if it is illegal by some laws, the probability of someone being sued before established precedent is practically zero.

Remind me never to go to you for advice.

Legalities aside, stripping the DRM is not that simple; and if you are new to

it, it can be daunting.

I own Kindles, but I never make false claims about it's capabilities. That is

cruel and misleading.

Nohmi

astra · 03-31-2011, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by nohmi2

never make false claims about it's capabilities. That is cruel and misleading.
Nohmi

Could not agree more.

I don't suggest Sony Reader to most people who ask me about ebook readers, because I know that Amazon's business model is the best. There is nothing that comes even close to its convenience.

However, lets face the facts.
Forget about dRM stripping. If we take this route then Sony Reader has the same choice of books as Kindle. You just get a bogus account with Amazon Kindle, buy their books, strip DRM, convert to ePub ....hey presto! we can claim that Sony Reader has as good ebook shop as Kindle.
True?

Spoiler:

The same about Kindle.
You cannot borrow books from libraries. Period.
You cannot buy any DRM protected ebook for Kindle outside of Kindle shop. Period.

In my not so humble opinion those limitations don't matter. I would buy Kindle if its h/w was a good as Sony's. Far too many pros. Having the best ebook shop with the best prices, I would not care about the rest.
On the other hand it might matter for other people and it is absolutely wrong to mislead them.

Double misleading.
Stripping DRM is a lot more complicated than some of you suggest. Many people have a problem with folder structure on their HDs. That's is a fact. Period.

mldavis2 · 03-31-2011, 08:13 AM

Personally, I pick the best eReader for the majority of my reading sources. I'm partial to the eInk screen and the resulting extended time between recharges. My local library doesn't have eBook lending (yet) and will no doubt go to ePub. But I still have options to deal with it. pBook checkout is one. The other is that with the appropriate FREE computer apps, you can buy and read anything from Amazon, B&N, Borders, BAM or your library on your laptop or Notebook, or Netbook, or Tablet or even your little smart phone (if you can deal with a tiny screen and shiny surface reflections).

karunaji · 03-31-2011, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Poppaea

So you tell your kids it is fine to rob a bank as long as they don't get caugth?? Anyway this is not the "which-one-to-buy" here, it is about libraries explaining people how to use ereaders and lend books from the library. So it is quite silly to shout out loud this kind of rubbish in this thread.

What's wrong with reading library e-books on Kindle?

While I agree that many people wouldn't know where to start with this process, many simply don't know that this option actually exists. Kindlekitten was just being helpful by encouraging them to explore this possibility that is not mentioned in official guides.

Exactly what is stolen by DRM removal? If you borrow an e-book from the library it doesn't matter on which device you are reading it. In fact, DRM itself is stealing because it is useless waste of money, in this case paid by all taxpayers.

astra · 03-31-2011, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by karunaji

Exactly what is stolen by DRM removal? If you borrow an e-book from the library it doesn't matter on which device you are reading it. In fact, DRM itself is stealing because it is useless waste of money, in this case paid by all taxpayers.

Nobody is disputing that DRM is Evil Incarnate.

However, you cannot assume that everybody is happy with drm stripping. Ethical side of it is the last in the list of why's.

In fact, I am certain that most people would not want to deal with it. Most ebook readers' users are not members of this forum. They are just readers. Postmen, doctors, lecturers, drivers.
All they want is to read books.
Please no fiddling with software and doing some bizarre things.
No time for that.
No will to spend time and thought for something like that, because we are talking about reading books. What they used to do with printed books. Come home. Sit in a chair, open a book and read. Those types will never, I repeat never, go via DRM stripping way. They have other concerns in their lives.
Very few, and this forum community represents very few of the total number of people who love to read books, are willing to deviate from a standard road of acquiring books: High street shops, second hand book shops or....online! shopping at Amazon. I understand why.
A friend of mine reads a newspaper where they discuss a book. She goes to Amazon website, click click and the book is on its way. Or just pop into High street shop and buy one. She receives presents - books from the members of her families. To make all of the books available to her electronically, what amount of time and thought her family got to put into it in order to avoid DRM issues? Not all of them are comfortable to use computers even for fun.

I get a feeling that many members of this forum forget what world they live in. Wake up, please. Real world is not a MobileRead forum.

elcreative · 03-31-2011, 08:43 AM

Nicely put Astra, a good summary...

JSWolf · 03-31-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Mobipocket has versions for Blackberry and Windows, which I figure will work on tablets running those platforms, and according to this link, iReader will work on Android.

And I could have sworn that library DRM mobi books will work on without deDRMing if some bits are tweaked, but now I couldn't get it to work and I wonder if I dreamed it.

ApK

Now I know there are apps that will allow reading store bought DRMed Mobipocket. But are there any apps (other than Windows) that will allow reading library DRMed Mobipocket?

iandix · 03-31-2011, 08:48 AM

I see no problem with stripping DRM from a book you have purchased (not a legal opinion just my own) But stripping DRM from library books ..hmm that is another matter.

These people who strip DRM from library books do you delete the book after you have read it or do you keep a copy for later?

If you believe that it is legal please send an email with your name and address, to the library you use and to the publishers of the ebooks and tell them what you are doing and let's see what happens next!

(I have a feeling that this suggestion will be avoided)

JSWolf · 03-31-2011, 08:50 AM

kindlekitten ... while it may be legal to strip DRM from eBooks you bought, library eBooks are a different story. That very well may not be legal. What does the lawyer on the other forum have to say about stripping the DRM from library eBooks?

Poppaea · 03-31-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by karunaji

What's wrong with reading library e-books on Kindle?

While I agree that many people wouldn't know where to start with this process, many simply don't know that this option actually exists. Kindlekitten was just being helpful by encouraging them to explore this possibility that is not mentioned in official guides.

Exactly what is stolen by DRM removal? If you borrow an e-book from the library it doesn't matter on which device you are reading it. In fact, DRM itself is stealing because it is useless waste of money, in this case paid by all taxpayers.

Lets think about it... it is called Digital Rights Management

Must have something to do with Rights.

And the DRM is paid with books purchased or with the cost of a library card. Tax payers paying for it is nonsense. If it were like this all the libraries in the world would have all the books they want to and not the mostly meagre lot they own.

karunaji · 03-31-2011, 09:03 AM

If you have a piece of wood, you can make a bookshelf. Of course, it will require some time, tools, necessary skills, maybe even a paint or screws. It may not be worth it, especially if you can buy a self-assemble shelf in a nearest Walmart.

Still many people would love to make their own bookshelf. Maybe they already have the necessary tools in their closet or they can borrow them from a neighbor. But they are afraid to think about it because they have heard that you need to be a certified carpenter to do this job, otherwise it is illegal. I say, don't believe it if told so by a carpenter business association.

ApK · 03-31-2011, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Now I know there are apps that will allow reading store bought DRMed Mobipocket. But are there any apps (other than Windows) that will allow reading library DRMed Mobipocket?

Is there some reason to think they'd work differently? I though it was the same mechanism.

Perhaps someone who has a relevant device would try it and let us know for sure.

ApK

kennyc · 03-31-2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ApK

Is there some reason to think they'd work differently? I though it was the same mechanism.

Perhaps someone who has a relevant device would try it and let us know for sure.

ApK

Amazon mobi drm is slightly different than standard mobi drm....at least that's my understanding.

03-31-2011, 08:48 AM	#85
iandix Addict Posts: 295 Karma: 109308 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: NSW Australia Device: nook touch a Nook 3g (rooted) and a nookcolor (rooted)	I see no problem with stripping DRM from a book you have purchased (not a legal opinion just my own) But stripping DRM from library books ..hmm that is another matter. These people who strip DRM from library books do you delete the book after you have read it or do you keep a copy for later? If you believe that it is legal please send an email with your name and address, to the library you use and to the publishers of the ebooks and tell them what you are doing and let's see what happens next! (I have a feeling that this suggestion will be avoided) Last edited by iandix; 03-31-2011 at 12:01 PM.

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