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SensualPoet · 03-30-2011, 06:59 PM

Barnes and Noble's Nook is the ultimate closed system: it is only sold in the US, and B&N only sells its commercial ePubs in the US. Kindle devices and ebooks are sold around the world. Likewise, Kobo devices and ePubs are also sold around the world (including the ebooks B&N chooses not to sell outside its, er, "borders").

As for the Overdrive system which primarily focusses on DRM ePub and DRM PDFs, it was Overdrive that chose not to support Kindle format instead of Adobe DRM for ePub ... or at least, the interested parties at the time could not come to agreement.

Happily, there is a cheap solution for everyone interested in a great ereader, (arguably) the best selection of commercial ebooks, library books from your local library system and have the option to live outside of the United States: use a Kindle 3 Wifi and buy a Kobo (or similar device) for library access and to save money on ebooks where the same title is cheaper in an ePub store than at Amazon.

kennyc · 03-30-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spellbanisher

Is the reason that library books don't come in mobi because of libraries, Amazon, overdrive, or the publishers?

Some do. My Library (Denver Public) has some mobi DRM'd books but mostly EPUB (and PDF) DRM'd.

The truth is that some do have them but the trick is that you have to know how to get your Mobi ID for your kindle and register it with the library. Not necessarily easy for some people and (at least here) the limited selection of mobi format books probably is not worth it.

Easy enough for me, but I'm a EE/CS for some 35 years now.

covingtoncat73 · 03-30-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SensualPoet

Barnes and Noble's Nook is the ultimate closed system: it is only sold in the US, and B&N only sells its commercial ePubs in the US. Kindle devices and ebooks are sold around the world. Likewise, Kobo devices and ePubs are also sold around the world (including the ebooks B&N chooses not to sell outside its, er, "borders").

As for the Overdrive system which primarily focusses on DRM ePub and DRM PDFs, it was Overdrive that chose not to support Kindle format instead of Adobe DRM for ePub ... or at least, the interested parties at the time could not come to agreement.

Happily, there is a cheap solution for everyone interested in a great ereader, (arguably) the best selection of commercial ebooks, library books from your local library system and have the option to live outside of the United States: use a Kindle 3 Wifi and buy a Kobo (or similar device) for library access and to save money on ebooks where the same title is cheaper in an ePub store than at Amazon.

What you're saying is rather what I *might* do at some point. I got a great deal on a Kobo and my library has over 1000 ePubs available for checkout, so I'm pretty happy so far. I have come up against one book I really want that is only in eFormat from Amazon and B&N and one other author who is only on Amazon and who I would try just because he eBooks are inexpensive but I'll try to do without and just get the one I am really wanting in paperback from BAM.

Anyway, I'll try to make do without Amazon and there certainly are a number of places I can get books from easily (the library, Gutenberg, Kobobooks, Borders.com, and, I think, BAM. I must test BAM to see) but I could see myself eventually getting a Kindle as well as my Kobo...

JSWolf · 03-30-2011, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

once more with feeling;

you can read library books on the Kindle!!!!

No library is going to show how to strip DRM and convert just so the Kindle can be used with library eBooks. And for people who do not strip DRM and convert, library eBooks won't work with a Kindle.

Out of the box, the answer is NO!

wyndslash · 03-30-2011, 07:55 PM

it would be nice if amazon would just make it easier for people to read library books on their device. it seems that it is the last hurdle to clear (in terms of 'reading out of the box', anyway)

kennyc · 03-30-2011, 07:59 PM

But you have to understand Amazon wants to SELL YOU BOOKS.

ApK · 03-30-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

it still boggles my mind that Amazon of all company's has chosen a "closed" ecosytem.

It's not closed at all, it's just not the system that 4 other booksellers and Overdrive chose.

JSWolf · 03-30-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

an SUV can maneuver through the snow. does it do it on its own? no a skilled driver needs to be behind the wheel. it does not come off the lot able to negotiate narrow mountain roads sure to make people white knuckle the steering wheel. it has the ability to conquer both scenarios, just as the kindle has the ability with a person that has just a tiny bit of curiosity can get library books onto the kindle.

a licensed practicing attorney has given us this information in the Kindle forums regarding the legality and ethics of stripping DRM for personal use.

I'll pop into any thread I please and clear up disinformation

I understand stripping DRM of eBooks you paid for. But what was the lawyer's say on stripping the DRM of library eBooks?

ApK · 03-30-2011, 08:04 PM

NYPL has mobi books that work on a Kindle with no DRM stripping required, but I guess it's still not strictly 'native' and not supported by the library.

You need to put your Kindle's pid on your library account, and non-techies can get their Kindle pid at web sites like:
http://kindletools.prestonlee.com/

Yes, ADE epubs are dominant, but to say "Kindle can't" is just wrong, which was the probably motivator behind the big colorful font.

ApK

spellbanisher · 03-30-2011, 08:07 PM

No reason for the big colorful font. Sometimes, big colorful fonts are just fun

JSWolf · 03-30-2011, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by spellbanisher

Is the reason that library books don't come in mobi because of libraries, Amazon, overdrive, or the publishers?

Library eBooks used to be in Mobipocket format. But because of the proliferation of ePub and devices that handle ePub with Adobe's DRM, Overdrive & publishers switched. That and new readers do not handle Mobipocket. Nor do new tablets.

ApK · 03-30-2011, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

That and new readers do not handle Mobipocket. Nor do new tablets.

Most tablets can handle it via an app.

elcreative · 03-30-2011, 08:34 PM

I was always advised that legal opinions were generally worth what you paid for them unless they were a quote from actual court decisions...

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

a licensed practicing attorney has given us this information in the Kindle forums regarding the legality and ethics of stripping DRM for personal use.

Giggleton · 03-30-2011, 08:44 PM

Getting my computer capable of downloading and reading ebooks from the library was harder than getting calibre to strip the DRM from those books so I could read them on my Kindle

JSWolf · 03-30-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SensualPoet

Barnes and Noble's Nook is the ultimate closed system: it is only sold in the US, and B&N only sells its commercial ePubs in the US. Kindle devices and ebooks are sold around the world. Likewise, Kobo devices and ePubs are also sold around the world (including the ebooks B&N chooses not to sell outside its, er, "borders").

The nook is not all that closed. It does handle ePub with adept DRM. So while B&N only sell ePub compatible with the nook, others sell ePub the nook works with.

03-30-2011, 08:04 PM	#39
ApK Award-Winning Participant Posts: 7,389 Karma: 68329346 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NJ, USA Device: Kindle	NYPL has mobi books that work on a Kindle with no DRM stripping required, but I guess it's still not strictly 'native' and not supported by the library. You need to put your Kindle's pid on your library account, and non-techies can get their Kindle pid at web sites like: http://kindletools.prestonlee.com/ Yes, ADE epubs are dominant, but to say "Kindle can't" is just wrong, which was the probably motivator behind the big colorful font. ApK Last edited by ApK; 03-30-2011 at 08:18 PM.

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03-30-2011, 06:59 PM	#31
SensualPoet Wizard Posts: 2,302 Karma: 2607151 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Toronto Device: Kobo Aura HD, Kindle Paperwhite, Asus ZenPad 3, Kobo Glo	Barnes and Noble's Nook is the ultimate closed system: it is only sold in the US, and B&N only sells its commercial ePubs in the US. Kindle devices and ebooks are sold around the world. Likewise, Kobo devices and ePubs are also sold around the world (including the ebooks B&N chooses not to sell outside its, er, "borders"). As for the Overdrive system which primarily focusses on DRM ePub and DRM PDFs, it was Overdrive that chose not to support Kindle format instead of Adobe DRM for ePub ... or at least, the interested parties at the time could not come to agreement. Happily, there is a cheap solution for everyone interested in a great ereader, (arguably) the best selection of commercial ebooks, library books from your local library system and have the option to live outside of the United States: use a Kindle 3 Wifi and buy a Kobo (or similar device) for library access and to save money on ebooks where the same title is cheaper in an ePub store than at Amazon.

03-30-2011, 07:55 PM	#35
wyndslash Wizard Posts: 2,951 Karma: 3000001 Join Date: Feb 2011 Device: Kindle 3 wifi, Kindle Fire	it would be nice if amazon would just make it easier for people to read library books on their device. it seems that it is the last hurdle to clear (in terms of 'reading out of the box', anyway)

03-30-2011, 07:59 PM	#36
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,897 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	But you have to understand Amazon wants to SELL YOU BOOKS.

03-30-2011, 08:07 PM	#40
spellbanisher Guru Posts: 826 Karma: 6566849 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: kindle keyboard, kindle fire hd, S4, Nook hd+	No reason for the big colorful font. Sometimes, big colorful fonts are just fun

03-30-2011, 08:44 PM	#44
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	Getting my computer capable of downloading and reading ebooks from the library was harder than getting calibre to strip the DRM from those books so I could read them on my Kindle