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Old 03-30-2011, 01:44 PM   #16
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If you jump through a lot of hoops and are willing to do something maybe illegal and probably unethical, sure.
What, or whom, defines unethical?

Since breaking DRM seems to be so open to interpretation, I'll just consider it dashing and daring...hell, it's the stuff that heroes and firebrands are made of.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:45 PM   #17
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When Apple released the Kindle, ePub was barely on the horizon. It exploded in popularity AFTER the Kindle came out. There's still no real business reason for Amazon to switch formats. Library books don't generate revenue for them. They make their money on book sales, not so much on sales of Kindles.
What about the whole 26-downloads for libraries, then auto-terminate thing Harper Collins proposed for library ebooks? Amazon could (in theory) make a lot on epub sales.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:46 PM   #18
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Now it comes out... it REALLY is a plot by Apple to take over the world if they released the Kindle... it's all over now, the Apple-haters were right (but their time is coming now that Apple rule the world) and we're all going to be using Apples - they've probably infiltrated Microsoft by now as well...


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When Apple released the Kindle, ePub was barely on the horizon. It exploded in popularity AFTER the Kindle came out. There's still no real business reason for Amazon to switch formats. Library books don't generate revenue for them. They make their money on book sales, not so much on sales of Kindles.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:46 PM   #19
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it has already been established that it is NOT illegal, let alone unethical to do this for personal use.

PLEASE!!! quit disseminating false information!
PLEASE!!! quit making it sound like it's easy to do and the Kindle natively reads library books straight out of the box! This is what people mean when they say "the device does this". It doesn't mean it can't be done, just that it's not native, and therefore not easy.

It is most certainly against the TOS to strip DRM from library books. And I also consider it unethical. Are you going to argue my personal ethics are wrong?

You're very tenacious though, popping into every thread that mentions Kindle+library to declare that library books can be read on the Kindle. It's also possible to run burned games on my Xbox360... oh, did I mention I have to mod it first? I didn't? Well, newbie, you should get it anyway. Don't worry about the technical side of it, the legal issues, or ethical implications either. Just know that it can be done. That's all you need to know to make your decision. What a load of unhelpful BS.
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What, or whom, defines unethical?

Since breaking DRM seems to be so open to interpretation, I'll just consider it dashing and daring...hell, it's the stuff that heroes and firebrands are made of.
LOL there really is nothing open to interpretation DRM is DRM not DRM with a wink and nod. There are purchasing rights that go along with it.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:50 PM   #21
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it still boggles my mind that Amazon of all company's has chose a "closed" ecosytem. ( yes yes I know there are ways around it)
It's not 'closed' when you can read the books on multiple devices via apps. The iBookstore is closed.

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Everything about Amazon is anti establisment
I don't think this means what you think it means

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I have no idea why of all company's Amazon would choose the "Apple" route if you will.
To make money hand-over-fist?
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:50 PM   #22
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Just a short reply to tubemonkey ...
... about "Doesn't anybody proofread any more?" and I don't want to make a big issue out of it.
'fraid not; it's a nearly extinct art, like the dodo. Have a look at Gutenberg's efforts with its "distributed proofreaders".
I know these people are volunteers, but that's not the point.
I've been a proofie since 1957, so I have a little bit of experience in finding literals.
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Old 03-30-2011, 01:52 PM   #23
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you can read library books on the Kindle!!!!
Thank you! I have been doing this for years.
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:14 PM   #24
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PLEASE!!! quit making it sound like it's easy to do and the Kindle natively reads library books straight out of the box! This is what people mean when they say "the device does this". It doesn't mean it can't be done, just that it's not native, and therefore not easy.

It is most certainly against the TOS to strip DRM from library books. And I also consider it unethical. Are you going to argue my personal ethics are wrong?

You're very tenacious though, popping into every thread that mentions Kindle+library to declare that library books can be read on the Kindle. It's also possible to run burned games on my Xbox360... oh, did I mention I have to mod it first? I didn't? Well, newbie, you should get it anyway. Don't worry about the technical side of it, the legal issues, or ethical implications either. Just know that it can be done. That's all you need to know to make your decision. What a load of unhelpful BS.
an SUV can maneuver through the snow. does it do it on its own? no a skilled driver needs to be behind the wheel. it does not come off the lot able to negotiate narrow mountain roads sure to make people white knuckle the steering wheel. it has the ability to conquer both scenarios, just as the kindle has the ability with a person that has just a tiny bit of curiosity can get library books onto the kindle.

a licensed practicing attorney has given us this information in the Kindle forums regarding the legality and ethics of stripping DRM for personal use.

I'll pop into any thread I please and clear up disinformation
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:39 PM   #25
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AFAIK neither Overdrive or Adobe Digital Editions works on a Kindle.

So which library services, pray tell, work natively on a Kindle? 'cause I'm not aware of any, nor do the libraries in the NYC area appear to use any such services.


P.S. I really cannot believe that you have the legal right to strip DRM from a library book, if that's what you are implying.
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:43 PM   #26
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...yes and no. My library doesn't carry mobi books, and last I knew you had to run scripts to get the PID if the mobi file is encoded. Yeah, the DRM can be striped, but that's not something you can explain to the average user.

In short: natively, right out of the box, the Kindle doesn't read 99% of library books.
Exactly. It's not easy for the average non-techie.
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Duokan can read epubs, but I don't remember how difficult it was to install.
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When Apple [sic] released the Kindle, ePub was barely on the horizon. It exploded in popularity AFTER the Kindle came out. There's still no real business reason for Amazon to switch formats. Library books don't generate revenue for them. They make their money on book sales, not so much on sales of Kindles.
Assuming you meant "When Amazon released ...", you're quite correct.

The other big point revolves around DRM. Amazon has become the largest ebook seller and the Kindle the largest selling dedicated ebook reader for a number of reasons, not the least of which is Amazon's DRM method. None of the other readers approach the simple "Kindle experience".

Amazon's DRM does not rely on someone else's software running on the user's computer and compatible with a limited range of operating systems. Amazon's works without any connection to any computer. The primary DRM used by "the ePub crowd" is Adobe's highly proprietary system which mandates the use of personal computer based software.

Yes, ePub format is open, but the common DRM is, on balance, just as closed as Amazon's. There may be more bookstores using Adobe's DRM for ePub but you have to use Adobe's software and a computer to actually get them onto your reader.
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you can read library books on the Kindle!!!!
Sorry, but as two wrongs don't make a right, two misleading oversimplifications don't a true statement make.

If kindle users spent as much time lobbying amazon for library support as defending it maybe this thread would be moot.
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Is the reason that library books don't come in mobi because of libraries, Amazon, overdrive, or the publishers?
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