Motorola Xoom

[kennyc]

I would (and have) dispute that.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

Absolutely.

It's a tech company. A very capable and a very profitable tech company, but in the end, it's nothing more than a tech company.

For Steve it is about the fame and money, but for many users it is a religion.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by RockdaMan

Absolutely.

It's a tech company. A very capable and a very profitable tech company, but in the end, it's nothing more than a tech company.

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[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

For Steve it is about the fame and money, but for many users it is a religion.

It's funny how people think this. Just because people enjoy a well made product others think they are fanatical or cultish followers. However, when you talk to some of those people (not all of course, because they are not honest with themselves) you would see that if money were no object more people would choose Apple products. They make a high quality product that people want and are willing to pay for.

I also paid more for my 2001 Toyota Camry than I would have for a Dodge Neon or Ford Escort of the day. However, I doubt either of those other cars would still be going strong now with only two very minor non-maintenance service needed on them.

But, this thread is supposed to be about the Xoom.. not about Apple's status as a religion, which is highly laughable to me.

BOb

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

It's funny how people think this. Just because people enjoy a well made product others think they are fanatical or cultish followers. However, when you talk to some of those people (not all of course, because they are not honest with themselves) you would see that if money were no object more people would choose Apple products. They make a high quality product that people want and are willing to pay for.

I also paid more for my 2001 Toyota Camry than I would have for a Dodge Neon or Ford Escort of the day. However, I doubt either of those other cars would still be going strong now with only two very minor non-maintenance service needed on them.

But, this thread is supposed to be about the Xoom.. not about Apple's status as a religion, which is highly laughable to me.

BOb

Unfortunately I cannot follow you as far as those "superior quality" claims are concerned. Of a total of 8 iPhones and 1 iPod classic among family and friends only 1 (!) did not need to be repaired within the first 18 months.

Yes, more people would choose Apple if they could afford it, such is the power of advertising. I greatly admire Apple's superior marketing skills, they have a lock on the uninformed users. Why do most people buy Apple products?

1.)They look good
2.)They are easy to use (not a bad thing in itself -- but also the reason there are so many things you can't do with them)

But the funny thing is, most Apple users actually believe they have the best products with the most advanced functionality. This is why we talk about "religion". If Apple users rationally said "my phone looks great and does what I want it to do even though it doesn't do Flash" then nobody would say another word about it. I can't count the times that I have seen iPhone users brag in amazement about some simple thing that their phones can do -- and it usually is something that a Palm or Windows phone could do in 2002 already.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

Unfortunately I cannot follow you as far as those "superior quality" claims are concerned. Of a total of 8 iPhones and 1 iPod classic among family and friends only 1 (!) did not need to be repaired within the first 18 months.

Yes, more people would choose Apple if they could afford it, such is the power of advertising. I greatly admire Apple's superior marketing skills, they have a lock on the uninformed users. Why do most people buy Apple products?

1.)They look good
2.)They are easy to use (not a bad thing in itself -- but also the reason there are so many things you can't do with them)

But the funny thing is, most Apple users actually believe they have the best products with the most advanced functionality. This is why we talk about "religion". If Apple users rationally said "my phone looks great and does what I want it to do even though it doesn't do Flash" then nobody would say another word about it. I can't count the times that I have seen iPhone users brag in amazement about some simple thing that their phones can do -- and it usually is something that a Palm or Windows phone could do in 2002 already.

Exactly!

[petermillard]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

If Apple users rationally said "my phone looks great and does what I want it to do even though it doesn't do Flash" then nobody would say another word about it.

OK. My iPhone and iPad both look great and do exactly what I want, because the last thing I want on my phone or tablet is Flash. So, can we please not say another word about it..?

Back to the Xoom...
@KennyC - you've had yours for a while now, so how's Flash working out? Nice and smooth when playing full-screen video or visiting Flash-heavy sites? Have you tested to see if there's any discernible impact on battery life? Genuinely interested as it's such a big selling point for the Xoom, and it hasn't launched here in the UK yet so there's little genuine user info available.

TIA, Pete.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by petermillard

OK. My iPhone and iPad both look great and do exactly what I want, because the last thing I want on my phone or tablet is Flash. So, can we please not say another word about it..?

Back to the Xoom...
@KennyC - you've had yours for a while now, so how's Flash working out? Nice and smooth when playing full-screen video or visiting Flash-heavy sites? Have you tested to see if there's any discernible impact on battery life? Genuinely interested as it's such a big selling point for the Xoom, and it hasn't launched here in the UK yet so there's little genuine user info available.

TIA, Pete.

Pete it's working great! I can't say I use it extensively though. I've seen no real difference in battery life, but as I said....

One thing that is not working well is preview of books "look inside" on Amazon.

This was posted from Xoom.

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

But the funny thing is, most Apple users actually believe they have the best products with the most advanced functionality.

I expect that is true of the user of most any gadget... for you to think this only applies to people that use apple products seems another "religion".

Anyway, I think the case is, most people that choose a device think it is the best device for them, or they would have bought something else.

BOb

[petermillard]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Pete it's working great! I can't say I use it extensively though. I've seen no real difference in battery life, but as I said....

One thing that is not working well is preview of books "look inside" on Amazon.

This was posted from Xoom.

Cool, thanks for confirming; as time goes on I'm sure the kinks'll get ironed out e.g. The Amazon thing.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I expect that is true of the user of most any gadget... for you to think this only applies to people that use apple products seems another "religion".

Anyway, I think the case is, most people that choose a device think it is the best device for them, or they would have bought something else.

BOb

There's a bit of the same in Kindle vs Sony etc. Ford vs Chevy etc. ...

Short stories vs Novels etc... genre vs mainstream

[kennyc]

From another forum:

I think the xoom is laggy compared to the IPAD. Apps... who cares, I mean a good app for you is a dumb toy for me and visa versa. But to your point there are some things the ios does and does well regardless of how locked in the OS. It like a Home Owners Association. I would hate yp live in one but others love it as it maintains a certain level/quality of living. That being said this is Android turf so the apple folks are gonna get Android'ed. Funny thing is soon the Sammy folks will be hatting on the MOTO folks who will hate the Toshiba folks. We are all creating our own tribes. This should be a college course.

[wodin]

Originally Posted by kennyc

God's sake, eh?

Wait! wait! I though God only drank kosher wine!

[wodin]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I think the case is, most people that choose a device think it is the best device for them, or they would have bought something else.

BOb

Actually I don't, no one has yet to release a device that does everything I want it to. When someone does, I'll buy one; in the mean time my SGT comes as close as anything. The Xoom has a lot of nice features, but it's just too big, and too pricey.

[wodin]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

I think Pogo Plug is similar. With a product like this your files are not backed up on redundant servers in multiple locations as with Dropbox. Of course, if you are backing up with Jungle Disk or Crash Plan I guess that's not too much of an issue.

BOb

There is that BOb, and that's why I also have Carbonite. If my house burns down, I still can retrieve my data.

If I wanted to, Tonido has an off site backup mode where you install a second server(TonidoPLUG)/NAS at a remote location, and they COOP to each other. Since I don't have a suitable location, a cost/risk analysis would indicate that Carbonite's off site backup coupled with their excellent security features (128-bit Blowfish encryption) make it the most cost effective solution I've found.

Thanks for the PogoPLUG link, I'll look at it, but since I've already invested in Tonido; well ...