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Isn't there good reason to put in place a low-cost, low-penalty system to deal with such offences, along the lines of fixed-penalties for minor traffic offences? We ARE only talking about very minor offences here, by and large. |
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All the proof you speak about (the IP address and the MAC address of your computer) is just data passing over a network. Those values can be altered. Would guilt still be beyond reasonable doubt? Quote:
But even if you secure your wifi then it still only takes less than 10 minutes to break (assuming you're using WEP). Then your neighbour (or his kids) can download anything over your network.
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Is there any evidence that this is actually occurring on a significant scale among people who download illegal material? It's certainly something I haven't come across.
(I use WPA-PSK security on my router, with a completely random string of upper and lower-case letters, numbers, and symbols as the key) |
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I guess if someone wanted to use software to get hold of free media rather than pay for it then they'd be just as open to using software to get free bandwidth. An extra benefit is that they wouldn't get caught as it's "beyond reasonable doubt" that the network owner is guilty ![]() Quote:
That's certainly the most secure method of securing a WiFi network at present - your password would probably take days, if not weeks, to crack. I assume you don't have teenage geeks living next door with a lot of time on their hands
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Mike - I actually have no objection to what anyone may choose to do or not to do when it comes to illegal downloads; it's very much a personal choice. What I do object to is when people try to "get out of it" when their guilt comes to light. It's like getting caught speeding. Own up to it, take your punishment, and move on. Let's make it like speeding - 60 quid fine, 3 "points", and that's it. Tot up 12 points, and you're banned from using the internet for 6 months. Sounds fair to me.
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Harry, I don't disagree with your scenario - you're a technically competent computer user. But what about the users that aren't? It's incredibly easy to set up a wireless network nowadays. Heck, ISPs hand out wireless routers during initial setup. Go into any middle-class apartment building with a laptop and you'll find dozens of access points - most of them owned by people who honestly don't have a clue about security. To continue your analogy, should they be ticketed because someone else hot-wired their car and took it out joyriding?
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Either way, in the recent ACS Law case a judge who specialises in copyright cases ruled that an IP address alone isn't enough evidence of guilt (or even probable guilt). And since an IP address is the only "evidence" required by this new law, it seems obvious to me what the intention of the BPI was when they helped to write it.
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I agree with you. That's why I was surprised by your suggestion that investigation should involve the dramatic steps you were talking about - seizure of computer, forensic examination, etc. Do you really think that should be done in every case where an accusation of copyright infringement has been made? It would be hugely expensive and time consuming, and would probably result in the accused person losing their computer for months.
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Was there really anything seriously wrong with that way of handling it? |
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Anyone who objects to that would then have their computer removed for official inspection and be without it for 6 months. Most people would go for the former, especially if they were innocent. As for it being expensive, the entertaiment industry could pay for it out of the extra £12billion per year they will be making due to the reduction in piracy. ![]() |
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