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DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LCF

Dennis, Gmail Manager works fine with FF4!

Yes, it does, and thanks for pointing it out. It took a little fiddling to get it set up properly, and there are a few tweaks I'd like to see that I may drop a note to the author about. IIRC, GMail Notifier was originally a fork of GMail Manager.

(Firefox 4.2a1Pre complains about it when it loads, but it seems to work there once up.)
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DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by FlorenceArt

Did she have to die her hair?

Dennis pictures WW having a Bad Hair Day - "@#$%&! <comb><comb>Die you #%$&!.. <brush><brush>..."

Hmmm. Don't think so...

DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Thanks, Dennis. I may go ahead and upgrade now. I understand the Norton add-on isn't yet compatible, though.

You may be able to force it by installing the Addons Compatibility Reporter, which may get it to install. Whether it will work as expected is another matter.

I don't use such things in the browser (never saw a need) and haven't had the problem.
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DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

After using it for some 36 hours (no not straight through) I'm really liking Firefox 4. Very fast! I have no issues with plug-ins. My Xmarks and EXIF viewer work fine. Have not had any crashes etc. It is different and takes some getting used to but ...

One thing that annoys me is the "reload/refresh" button is on the wrong side of the address/location bar.

Right click on the Nav bar. Choose Customize. The Stop and Reload buttons will appear between the Nave box and the Search box. Drag and drop the buttons where you like them, just like you could in previous releases.

Yes, it's quick. Major goals for 4.0 were performance improvements and reducing the amount of chrome used by the browser.

Performance improvements included using native hardware acceleration where possible, switching from synchronous to asynchronous programming, so the whole browser doesn't hang waiting for something to complete, and moving to Jaegermonkey, a new and faster JavaScript engine. Since a good deal of FF itself is actually implemented in JavaScript, this has overall benefits.

Hardware acceleration does involve the occasional funny. On Windows, FF 4 uses DirectX, and is uncovering problems in DX implementation. I was bemused to watch FF attempting to enumerate every font on my system, and I have about 1,200 installed. Why was it doing so? A DirectX call triggered it, and an MS library was the culprit. To avoid clobbering startup performance, FF's workaround was to delay the operation till later in the FF load process, but a real fix will require MS to fix their code. (IE9 is also bitten by this, so MS might have an incentive to actually make the fix...)

Chrome reduction includes things like the placement of the Stop/Reload button, Tabs on Top, and rearchitecting toolbars.

FF4 looks like this, here: (Menu Bar, Bookmarks Bar, and Addons Bar are all hidden until moused over.)

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kennyc · 03-24-2011, 12:44 PM

Thanks Dennis. I don't see that I can move the 'refresh' button, but good to know that I can add a button for Xmarks if I want.

GeoffC · 03-24-2011, 12:47 PM

Thanks Dennis, Home is now where I want it to be .... Seems there is no other 'refresh' other than that in the URL window ....

Definitely getting used to it ....

DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Thanks Dennis. I don't see that I can move the 'refresh' button, but good to know that I can add a button for Xmarks if I want.

Part of the development effort was to provide that flexibility.

Right-click the Menu Bar, and choose Customize. You'll see something like this:

Note that the Reload and Stop buttons appear between the Nav box and the Search box. Drag and drop them where you like. The same is true for any other button there.

If you want the Stop/Reload functionality combined, and which is shown depends on what's happening, there's a CSS hack I used under FF3 that I believe still works. (I don't have a problem with the current layout, and haven't checked.)
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DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

Thanks Dennis, Home is now where I want it to be .... Seems there is no other 'refresh' other than that in the URL window ....

Definitely getting used to it ....

See my reply to Kenny.
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kennyc · 03-24-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Part of the development effort was to provide that flexibility.

Right-click the Menu Bar, and choose Customiize. You'll see something like this:

.. Drag and drop them where you like. ..
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Dennis

Thanks, that was totally confusing, but yeah I did it. Once you open the "customize" then you can drag and drop the menu buttons/bars around.

DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Thanks, that was totally confusing, but yeah I did it. Once you open the "customize" then you can drag and drop the menu buttons/bars around.

Never tried it before? That's the way Firefox has pretty much always behaved. You could do it in FF3, and I'm pretty sure you could do it in FF2.

The goal is to reduce the differences between locations and be able to put anything anywhere, so a toolbar is a toolbar is a toolbar. It's not quite there yet, but it's a lot closer than it was.

Note that the Status bar is now the Addons bar, and things like status messages (such as the full URL you are currently pointing at) now appear in a separate popup window at bottom left.
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kennyc · 03-24-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Never tried it before? That's the way Firefox has pretty much always behaved. You could do it in FF3, and I'm pretty sure you could do it in FF2.

The goal is to reduce the differences between locations and be able to put anything anywhere, so a toolbar is a toolbar is a toolbar. It's not quite there yet, but it's a lot closer than it was.

Note that the Status bar is now the Addons bar, and things like status messages (such as the full URL you are currently pointing at) now appear in a separate popup window at bottom left.
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Dennis

Nah. I don't mess with things unless it's really an annoyance.

My latest annoyance is that I was bugged by your karma total and wanted to add 1 to it. The site won't let me, says I'm being stingy.

DMcCunney · 03-24-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Nah. I don't mess with things unless it's really an annoyance.

That's what I figured.

Once of the reasons I run Firefox is the underlying architecture. As well as HTML, CSS, and JavaScript, the underlying Gecko rendering engine understands and renders XUL, an XML language for creating user interfaces. The actual look and feel of Firefox is created by XUL, CSS, and widgets, with JavaScript performing the action when you select a menu item or click a button.

This just invites people to mess with it, as you can create themes to modify how it looks, and extensions to change how it acts, and literally thousands of such things exist. I've never been terribly concerned with themes, but have dove head first into the addons pool, and an assortment are part of my standard kit. The fact that you can do stuff like that is the principal reason I run FF in the first place. The fact that it's more secure than IE runs a distant second, as pretty much any other browser is more secure than IE.

I have IE8, Google Chrome 11, Opera 11, and Safari 5 here among other things, but FF is my "production" browser.

At the moment, I have FF 4 and my standard profile on a ramdisk, and run things from there. Works a treat, and is quick.
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FlorenceArt · 03-24-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

I'm a sucker for wimens with big b... bracelets! Boots? Baccalaureate Degrees?

I have a brain, does that count? I don't know if it's big, but it's loaded and I know how to use it.

thinkpad · 03-24-2011, 03:43 PM

Unboxing my new Garmin Gpsmap 62s. Since I sold my older model a couple of months ago it was time to make the upgrade. The antenna/reception should be about the same quality as the old one but its got an upgraded 3-axis compass and support for satellite imagery.

Wetdogeared · 03-24-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkpadx

Unboxing my new Garmin Gpsmap 62s. Since I sold my older model a couple of months ago it was time to make the upgrade. The antenna/reception should be about the same quality as the old one but its got an upgraded 3-axis compass and support for satellite imagery.

We have the older 60CSx mounted on one of our mountain bikes. One of our most favourite toys.

03-24-2011, 12:44 PM	#28850
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,922 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6	Thanks Dennis. I don't see that I can move the 'refresh' button, but good to know that I can add a button for Xmarks if I want.

03-24-2011, 12:47 PM	#28851
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Thanks Dennis, Home is now where I want it to be .... Seems there is no other 'refresh' other than that in the URL window .... Definitely getting used to it ....

03-24-2011, 03:43 PM	#28859
thinkpad David Posts: 1,808 Karma: 8916183 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Norway Device: Kindle, E.Edge (sold), Irex Iliad (retired)	Unboxing my new Garmin Gpsmap 62s. Since I sold my older model a couple of months ago it was time to make the upgrade. The antenna/reception should be about the same quality as the old one but its got an upgraded 3-axis compass and support for satellite imagery.