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Old 03-23-2011, 06:27 PM   #76
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Actually, that matches my experiences with loaning out paper books, except I don't get it back when I loan it that one time.
Which is why I very very rarely loan books.
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:01 PM   #77
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This is completely unpossible as the current "lending" scheme is a one-time 14 day loan. If I've lent my book once, it's done and cannot be lent again. It could never take the place of Amazon due to this constriction.
Of course I was referring to a more robust lending scheme, and moving into the new era of uncopyrightability, where everything is read before purchase, and payment methods are retained in the book across lends.

Amazon wouldn't really need to exist, all books would become viral as is their wont. The author uploads, the readers download and share.

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Old 03-23-2011, 09:03 PM   #78
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I want some of what Giggleton is smoking.

No, wait, I don't. I have stuff copyrighted. I would like to retain the right to commercially exploit them again.
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Old 03-23-2011, 09:09 PM   #79
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I want some of what Giggleton is smoking.

No, wait, I don't. I have stuff copyrighted. I would like to retain the right to commercially exploit them again.
By that you mean you want to charge people for the right to read your work? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Why not give your work away and have faith that your readers will respond by paying you what they think your work is worth, NOW THAT'S A FREE MARKET!!

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By that you mean you want to charge people for the right to read your work? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Why not give your work away and have faith that your readers will respond by paying you what they think your work is worth, NOW THAT'S A FREE MARKET!!

NO! NO! charming and amusing fantasy short stories for YOU unless you cough up some DOUGH!
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Old 03-24-2011, 01:37 AM   #81
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By that you mean you want to charge people for the right to read your work? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Why not give your work away and have faith that your readers will respond by paying you what they think your work is worth, NOW THAT'S A FREE MARKET!!

that is making an assumption on the inherent nature of human beings, which i'm sure we would all disagree on :P
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Old 03-24-2011, 02:23 AM   #82
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By that you mean you want to charge people for the right to read your work? Doesn't that sound a bit odd? Why not give your work away and have faith that your readers will respond by paying you what they think your work is worth, NOW THAT'S A FREE MARKET!!

Do you charge people for the work that you do?
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without copyright protections authors would be treated no better than street performers. So if copyrights ever end it might be best if authors buy their refrigerator box now and start to stock pile Sterno and cans of Spam.

I'm no author so it must be nice to even have the option of investing in a place to live and that yummy maybe-meat called Spam, aka the Unoffical Meat-Food Product of Hawaii.

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Old 03-24-2011, 09:30 AM   #84
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Do you charge people for the work that you do?
It depends on the type of work, in the new era I won't of course. Getting to the new era is going to require an abolishment of copyright among other things. But yes, our economic system needs to be drastically altered, to make it more sustainable, wouldn't you agree?

We have toxified our living spaces, all in the name of profit. ereaders aren't sustainable but hopefully one day they will be.

Do you see more restrictive and powerful copyrights paving the way to the new era? I see global adoption of ereaders and access to infinite reading material as the only thing capable of getting us through this mess we're in.

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It depends on the type of work, in the new era I won't of course. Getting to the new era is going to require an abolishment of copyright among other things. But yes, our economic system needs to be drastically altered, to make it more sustainable, wouldn't you agree?
No, I certainly would not agree . Don't you think, though, that as a true believer in the "new society", you should be taking the lead and giving away your work for free, rather than sordidly expecting to get paid for it?
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Old 03-24-2011, 09:39 AM   #86
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No, I certainly would not agree . Don't you think, though, that as a true believer in the "new society", you should be taking the lead and giving away your work for free, rather than sordidly expecting to get paid for it?
Yep, bring it on!
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I love the New Society ideas, and it should be given a fair chance. Viable isolated space is running short on Earth, but one day we'll have new worlds to settle. Then the New Society folks can be sent to create and run their own world as they see fit. Then a few years after that, when their society crumbles, the rest of us will have a new planet complete with facilities and supplies waiting for us.
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But yes, our economic system needs to be drastically altered, to make it more sustainable, wouldn't you agree?
Resource-based perhaps? Automated cornucopia factories that give us everything we ever need? No one need ever work again if they don't feel like it? Artificial intelligence to handle all social and governmental planning?

The dreams of Jacque Fresco will never come to pass. Accept it. That dog just won't hunt.
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I love the New Society ideas, and it should be given a fair chance. Viable isolated space is running short on Earth, but one day we'll have new worlds to settle. Then the New Society folks can be sent to create and run their own world as they see fit. Then a few years after that, when their society crumbles, the rest of us will have a new planet complete with facilities and supplies waiting for us.
I'd vote for that.
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I think there's a place in the world of art for offering a product (song, book, whatever) for free electronically and accepting donations. Doctorow's made it work for him. My husband's had some success doing that with music. But I think this generally works best in small, niche markets.

But do enjoy your New Society on Mars
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