Cutting Prices is the only way to stop piracy - Page 10

alan ryker · 03-20-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

Actually, eBooks are easy to pirate - and pBooks are easy to scan.

I meant find, not put up. And the typo filled scanned ebooks are part of the reason I'd rather buy a book than spend 10 minutes downloading it. my time is literally worth more than that.

tompe · 03-20-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

Most people I know buy paperbacks by preference, and only buy hardcovers of books they really want. In short, they do base a large part of the value of a book on the words.

That is true for most people I know also. The reason is that an hardcover takes to much place and do not fit into a shelf optimized for paperbacks. And some people would be willing to pay hardcover price to get early access to a paperback version of the book. But for a lot of people the fact that the paperback version is not available will lead to a lost sale since they will read the book in another way and later not buy the paperback version.

Lemurion · 03-20-2011, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alan ryker

I meant find, not put up. And the typo filled scanned ebooks are part of the reason I'd rather buy a book than spend 10 minutes downloading it. my time is literally worth more than that.

They're easy to find, too - and as for typo-filled scans - that can apply to retail eBooks as easily as to pirate ones.

alan ryker · 03-20-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

They're easy to find, too - and as for typo-filled scans - that can apply to retail eBooks as easily as to pirate ones.

I may not be down with the latest pirating techniques, I admit. Besides the biggies easy to find as torrents, I know about the irc, which takes forever and has a limited selection.

And I've never found a retail ebook as typo-filled as a scanned one. That's one thing I am an expert on, as I've spent 5 years in the document scanning/ocring business.

kennyc · 03-20-2011, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by alan ryker

Except for the most popular books, ebooks are relatively difficult to pirate. Because of this, I think it's possible to charge enough to make a profit while making the book cheap enough to not be worth the trouble of stealing it.

Hmmm? Childishly easy I'd say...

rogue_librarian · 03-20-2011, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by alan ryker

Except for the most popular books, ebooks are relatively difficult to pirate.

Sorry, what? Care to explain?

mr ploppy · 03-20-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alan ryker

And I've never found a retail ebook as typo-filled as a scanned one. That's one thing I am an expert on, as I've spent 5 years in the document scanning/ocring business.

I don't know what retail ebooks you are reading but I have never read one that doesn't have at least 5 mistakes in it.

alan ryker · 03-20-2011, 04:03 PM

I either didn't state it well or I'm just wrong, don't know which.

I just meant that on normal torrent tracking sites (I use a meta meta tracker, torrentz.eu, searches most of the big ones like piratebay, bitmon, so on) you can only find torrents for big name authors.

Then there are the IRC channels, which take forever to use, have poor selections in weird formats and often have scanned books. I think a lot of people would rather pay $5 for a book than bother with them.

But maybe there are easier methods I don't know about.

alan ryker · 03-20-2011, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

I don't know what retail ebooks you are reading but I have never read one that doesn't have at least 5 mistakes in it.

I haven't either. But I've read scanned ebooks with a typo on every page.

tompe · 03-20-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alan ryker

I either didn't state it well or I'm just wrong, don't know which.

I just meant that on normal torrent tracking sites (I use a meta meta tracker, torrentz.eu, searches most of the big ones like piratebay, bitmon, so on) you can only find torrents for big name authors.

Then there are the IRC channels, which take forever to use, have poor selections in weird formats and often have scanned books. I think a lot of people would rather pay $5 for a book than bother with them.

But maybe there are easier methods I don't know about.

Search for book collection or similar and you will find a lot of collections containing a lot of authors.

crich70 · 03-20-2011, 05:48 PM

Or the schools copies become worn and need physical replacement. All pbooks do eventually show signs of wear after all.

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Originally Posted by wyndslash

in terms of textbook prices, i think most are just rip-offs. they keep coming out with new editions every year, and they're all the same content. they just switch the chapters around and update the examples, but that's all. our profs usually just tell us to stick with the old edition unless a significant amount of time has passed enough that the amount of new content becomes substantial.

moniqee · 03-20-2011, 08:53 PM

I agree that cutting the prices is one of the way to curb piracy.

I love reading but the prices for the ebooks are just so crazy...imagine 7,000 words for USD3. What I can only do is save these ebooks up in my wishlist and pray for deep discounts ie Kobobooks or Fictionwise or other resellers/publishers to buy them.

As for the books, I can only do is wait till a year period is over and hopefully cheaper versions would be out by then or try secondhand online bookstores ( trust on their description of their books )

JSWolf · 03-20-2011, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

I ran into the MPAA thing recently: I bought a Watchmen DVD pack only to discover the digital copy authorization had expired a month before. It was seriously irritating, and I ended up ripping a copy.

People who do not rip/convert DVD will just end up not buying and going to the net too find a digital copy. So the MPAA is just going to cause an increase in piracy and a loss of profit. They have themselves to blame. If the digital copy didn't expire, then people would not be pissed and go off looking for an already made digital copy.

JSWolf · 03-20-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

You can pay a premium to read a book when it's first released, or wait a year and buy the same book at half to a third the price. I have absolutely no problem with that, personally; exactly the same is done with many products - DVDs, for example.

But with DVDs, I can go find the lowest price be it online or a local shop. With agency eBooks, I cannot do that. So my choice is to over pay, way and hope they go down to a price I will pay, not buy and do without of go troll the net and find it for free. So really, the agency 6 are driving people to go the troll the net route.

JSWolf · 03-20-2011, 10:17 PM

HarryT, what's your opinion of geo-restriction that now prevents people from accessing legally purchased eBooks that was bought 100% legally before geo-restriction and now cannot access those eBooks? Some people need this access because they need to update the DRM. And even if not, they still should have access to the eBooks since they were legally paid for before geo-restrictions.

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03-20-2011, 04:03 PM	#143
alan ryker Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Kansas City area, Kansas Device: Kindle 3, Droid	I either didn't state it well or I'm just wrong, don't know which. I just meant that on normal torrent tracking sites (I use a meta meta tracker, torrentz.eu, searches most of the big ones like piratebay, bitmon, so on) you can only find torrents for big name authors. Then there are the IRC channels, which take forever to use, have poor selections in weird formats and often have scanned books. I think a lot of people would rather pay $5 for a book than bother with them. But maybe there are easier methods I don't know about.

03-20-2011, 08:53 PM	#147
moniqee Member Posts: 16 Karma: 164 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Kindle 3	I agree that cutting the prices is one of the way to curb piracy. I love reading but the prices for the ebooks are just so crazy...imagine 7,000 words for USD3. What I can only do is save these ebooks up in my wishlist and pray for deep discounts ie Kobobooks or Fictionwise or other resellers/publishers to buy them. As for the books, I can only do is wait till a year period is over and hopefully cheaper versions would be out by then or try secondhand online bookstores ( trust on their description of their books )

03-20-2011, 10:17 PM	#150
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,796 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	HarryT, what's your opinion of geo-restriction that now prevents people from accessing legally purchased eBooks that was bought 100% legally before geo-restriction and now cannot access those eBooks? Some people need this access because they need to update the DRM. And even if not, they still should have access to the eBooks since they were legally paid for before geo-restrictions.