Kindle e-Book piracy accelerates - from CNET

[spellbanisher]

And to to be totally off-topic, I post this quote from "The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte," because it is awesome, and awesome transcends threads.

"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. And just as they seem to be occupied with revolutionizing themselves and things, creating something that did not exist before, precisely in such epochs of revolutionary crisis they anxiously conjure up the spirits of the past to their service, borrowing from them names, battle slogans, and costumes in order to present this new scene in world history in time-honored disguise and borrowed language. Thus Luther put on the mask of the Apostle Paul, the Revolution of 1789-1814 draped itself alternately in the guise of the Roman Republic and the Roman Empire, and the Revolution of 1848 knew nothing better to do than to parody, now 1789, now the revolutionary tradition of 1793-95. In like manner, the beginner who has learned a new language always translates it back into his mother tongue, but he assimilates the spirit of the new language and expresses himself freely in it only when he moves in it without recalling the old and when he forgets his native tongue."

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by Supine

Is that based on the facts/assumptions that
- young people are more internet savvy
- they don't have enough money to buy things
- they just don't have any morality

I am not that young, but I find that offending. I admit though that there are more young people among pirates because of the above reasons but it does not really mean ''young people will pirate''

Just jumping in, this really shouldn't come off as offensive. Baby boomers and older think that Piracy is referring to what happens in Somalia, not what occurs on torrent sites, if they even know what a torrent site is. Of course, this is biased from my own life and the people in it, so don't ask me for proof!

[spellbanisher]

Whoever said that "young people will pirate" is a jerk.

[Lemurion]

My personal thought is that this world would be a much better place if all the money spent lobbying for tougher laws and penalties for internet piracy was spent doing something about the kind of piracy that happens off the coast of Somalia.

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by Lemurion

My personal thought is that this world would be a much better place if all the money spent lobbying for tougher laws and penalties for internet piracy was spent doing something about the kind of piracy that happens off the coast of Somalia.

(I couldn't find the clapping guy)

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

Whoever said that "young people will pirate" is a jerk.

I think it was that spellbinder guy

[spellbanisher]

Originally Posted by Belle2Be

I think it was that spellbinder guy

AAAAAGH!:

[Richey79]

Originally Posted by Supine

Is that based on the facts/assumptions that
- young people are more internet savvy
- they don't have enough money to buy things
- they just don't have any morality

I am not that young, but I find that offending. I admit though that there are more young people among pirates because of the above reasons but it does not really mean ''young people will pirate''

I know plenty of 'Baby Boomers' who 'pirate' music and some who get their books this way.

Interestingly, what's standing in the way of a larger proportion of those who wouldn't fall under the term 'young' are two factors:

1) Those who haven't bought an ereader yet (pretty obvious, really).

2) You currently need to register with private trackers or learn how to use IRC in order to be fairly sure to be able to find any book you want on the 'net. Once you do this, the selection available is far better than most modern libraries. This is more trouble than most people (other than the already tech-savvy) can be bothered with.

I suspect we will see piracy gain a much greater proportion of books dissemination when sites start to pop up that are as easy to use as the Pirate Bay, but specifically for books (or sites such as TPB adopt a tick box for 'ebooks' as well as 'audio', 'video' etc.).

Seeing as we recently had the first big 'Kindle Christmas', at least as many of which were bought by none-young demographics, I don't imagine it will be long until we see this change.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by MovieBird

On page 13, it states that in 2004 digital was 2% of revenue at 420 million. In 2010, 29% at 4.6 billion. Well, 420/0.02 = 21,000, or 21 billion. 4.6/.29 = 15.86 billion. Huh? but on page 5 they say they've experienced a 31% decrease overall. That, from 21 billion, would equal 14.49 billion. Where'd that extra billion go?

You are calculating on rounded numbers and expecting an exact result, that is never going to work.

2% of revenue could be anything from 1.500..01% to 2.499..99%
420 million could be anythng from maybe 417.500...01% to 422.49...99%, depending on how they are rounding.
29% could be 28.500...001% to 29.499...99%
4.6 billion could be 4.55..01 to 4.6499..99
And a 31% decrease could be 30.50...01% to 31.49...99%

So the figures could be anything from

2.49% is 417.5 gives total of 16.77 billion, decreased by 31% = 12.80 billion
1.50% is 422.49 gives total of 28.17 billion, decreased by 31% = 21.50 billion

29.49 is 4.55 gives total of 15.43 billion
28.5 is 4.649 gives total of 16.31 billion

So the figures are well within the margin of error, given the low level of precision available. The figures available are just not able to sustain the analysis you have attempted.

[MovieBird]

Originally Posted by murraypaul

You are calculating on rounded numbers and expecting an exact result, that is never going to work.

I'm not the one claiming these are hard numbers. All I'm illustrating is that they're a significant margin of mushiness around these numbers, even within the report itself, and as such they shouldn't be taken all that seriously without explaining how they got those numbers.

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by Richey79

2) You currently need to register with private trackers or learn how to use IRC in order to be fairly sure to be able to find any book you want on the 'net. Once you do this, the selection available is far better than most modern libraries. This is more trouble than most people (other than the already tech-savvy) can be bothered with.

I don't think it's about any tech-savviness, necessarily. I think there's a resistance to signing up because of privacy concerns, especially when it comes to signing up to do something that's illegal.

[travfar]

I equate this to the growing pains the music industry went through. Sadly, the book industry didn't take heed of the lessons and is making the mistakes all over again.

The big takeaway is price. If you price things low enough, people will buy instead of pirate. Ebooks should not be as expensive as it is compared to printed books. They've come down in price but it was laughable when ebooks were the same price as printed books. There's no cost to manufacturer, warehouse, distribute or dealer profit. Thus the price should only be the publisher profits, author profits and a very very small fee for marketing and the cost to run the websites.

[Kenneth_irl]

To be completely honset I think piracy can be a heathy thing. It gives the consumer more control over what he/she really wants to spend their hard earned money on. This encourages conpanies to actually make quality products.

If people can afford and really like the product in mind, I've got no doubt they'll actually want to buy the product and support the company/band/person, etc.

Piracy is a liberty buffer for me, by the people, for the people.

(I haven't had time to read the whole acticle yet so I might have missed something important)

[wyndslash]

@travar: well, there is still the content to consider, at least for me.

[travfar]

Originally Posted by wyndslash

@travar: well, there is still the content to consider, at least for me.

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