Copyright is Out of Sight - Page 13

Enkidu of Abydos · 02-21-2011, 10:24 PM

Nah, it's just the after effects of reality tv.

kennyc · 02-21-2011, 10:25 PM

Nope. Pirates.

spellbanisher · 02-21-2011, 10:39 PM

Reality tv pirates?

elcreative · 02-21-2011, 11:21 PM

Yup, anytime you have a "reality" program on your TV, they'll come round and steal it... no, actually that'd be a good idea...

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Originally Posted by spellbanisher

Reality tv pirates?

spellbanisher · 02-21-2011, 11:31 PM

I meant a reality tv show about pop-singing pirates who steal reality tv shows.

Fbone · 02-21-2011, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Wait? Who Pirated a Teenage Mind?

and why would they want to?

Bill Cosby.

He needed new material.

Michael McLovin · 02-22-2011, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Steven Lyle Jordan

Are we done here?

Almost 200 replies and i still haven't found one post in agreement with Giggleton.
I suppose we are.

Namekuseijin · 02-22-2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by spellbanisher

I agree. We have a right to take thoughts, but no matter how many heads I cut open I never find any thoughts. I figure somebody else must have gotten to them first.

The strawman?

Enkidu of Abydos · 02-22-2011, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael McLovin

Almost 200 replies and i still haven't found one post in agreement with Giggleton.
I suppose we are.

You must have not looked very hard, I found a couple. Including mine, but others too... Too bad their weren't more voices of descent in Germany 80 years ago... My point is being in the majority doesn't make one right.
Anyway this debate will never be over. Not as long as there's copyright... This thread is pretty much dead though. RIP

spellbanisher · 02-22-2011, 10:57 AM

A bit over the top enkidu in comparing support for copyright to Nazism.

spellbanisher · 02-22-2011, 11:33 AM

As Cory Doctorow says, the internet is essentially a giant xerox (or is it zerox?) machine. copying won't get any harder. Hard drives won't get ay smaller. People will not cease to do what they have always done, and that is share information and culture that they find important or that has impacted their life in some profound or heartfelt way. Before the internet copyright was easier to enforce, but know creators must adapt to a new reality. They can decry this new reality as unfair. They can demand that governments pass more laws and regulate the internet more. They can denounce pirates as lowlife scum. Or they can dismiss pirates as nothing more than selfish teenagers. if it is true that people grow out of the mindset that there for be free then creators have nothing to worry about and this whole debate is moot. Creators can figure out ways to exploit to technology, new ways to monetize their talents, or they can let technology overwhelm and crush them. I think only the most innovative and flexible minds will be able to survive this technology apocalypse.

Industries have always claimed new technologies were existential threats. When it first became possible to record music, musicians cried that it was the end of the performance industry.What actually happened was that music recording technology enabled more musicians to make money off their music than ever before.Oh, and performance musicians are still doing alright. When radio came out it was proclaimed the end of the music industry. When cable companies emerged it was proclaimed the end of television and movies. The vcr was supposed to kill movies.

What have been the positive consequences of filesharing? It was filesharers that forced music companies to publish digital versions of their songs. Filesharing was the internets first killer app(according to doctorow). It encouraged greater investments in broadband technology and memory.

I don't claim to have ay answers. I think creators must understand that the environment is ever changing. No business model can stay the same. No one is entitled to make a living doing one particular thing. I for one don't believe ebook piracy is the massive threat that a lot of other readers believe it is. If an author really moves, really touches, really affects his audience, his fans will support him. That doesn't mean there it will be no piracy, but it does mean that as long as there are good writers there will be fans willing to pay for that writing, not because they have to, but because they want that writer to continue to create works. (This is assuming that our minds don't become so vitiated that we cease to be able to distinguish good writing with bad writing and begin to equate tweets with shakespeare. But if that happens our problemswould be a lot bigger than writers being able to make a living.) Just think about this:If Stephen King announced that unless his next novel sold half a million copies he would be unable to write anymore, don't you think that all of his hardcore fans would go out and buy his novel?

kennyc · 02-22-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spellbanisher

A bit over the top enkidu in comparing support for copyright to Nazism.

Godwin's Law...

spellbanisher · 02-22-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Godwin's Law...

Just looked that up. Funny and true. I guess i can't fault enkidu if its a law. Anways, enkidu's right. If their had been dissenters in 30's Germany there would have been no holocaust and no second world war. Its not like hitler would have executed the dissenters or anything like that.

I just realized how hilariously contradictory my previous post was. I said only the most flexible and innovative would survive the current copyright apocalypse, and then I said that piracy would never be that big of a deal because true fans would always support their authors. Brains rotting. Logic first thing to go. barely complete sentences. fjaoejlf

kennyc · 02-22-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rickymartin213

It's not that eternal ago that the word of a document in the U.S. was 28 geezerhood, renewable for an additional 28 eld. I'm not sure I see the exoteric goodness to the string of document for 70 years beyond the modification of the author.

Ah but Disney Does!

Giggleton · 02-22-2011, 02:43 PM

I have an almost infinite number of answers, all I do is think of answers to seemingly insurmountable problems. Whether or not anyone else will like those answers is another matter entirely. It seems to me that altering the physicality of another brain, to match the mind of your own or others is one of the hardest things someone can do, but we continually strive to do so.

TRUTH: We cannot deny knowledge to those who cannot afford it.

Copyright is an illusion, and can be ended now if we so choose. Just share everything you can, this is not "wrong" and this is not "right" This is just something that we need to do.

If you like the work of a certain individual, send them some monies. Cake.

Creators have the right to sell, but the user has the right to share and possibly even resell. This is not a paradox. It is up to each user to decide who to support monetarily, a very important decision, and one that should never be taken lightly.

Society is what we make it.

02-21-2011, 11:31 PM	#185
spellbanisher Guru Posts: 826 Karma: 6566849 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: kindle keyboard, kindle fire hd, S4, Nook hd+	I meant a reality tv show about pop-singing pirates who steal reality tv shows. Last edited by spellbanisher; 02-21-2011 at 11:33 PM.

02-22-2011, 11:33 AM	#191
spellbanisher Guru Posts: 826 Karma: 6566849 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: kindle keyboard, kindle fire hd, S4, Nook hd+	As Cory Doctorow says, the internet is essentially a giant xerox (or is it zerox?) machine. copying won't get any harder. Hard drives won't get ay smaller. People will not cease to do what they have always done, and that is share information and culture that they find important or that has impacted their life in some profound or heartfelt way. Before the internet copyright was easier to enforce, but know creators must adapt to a new reality. They can decry this new reality as unfair. They can demand that governments pass more laws and regulate the internet more. They can denounce pirates as lowlife scum. Or they can dismiss pirates as nothing more than selfish teenagers. if it is true that people grow out of the mindset that there for be free then creators have nothing to worry about and this whole debate is moot. Creators can figure out ways to exploit to technology, new ways to monetize their talents, or they can let technology overwhelm and crush them. I think only the most innovative and flexible minds will be able to survive this technology apocalypse. Industries have always claimed new technologies were existential threats. When it first became possible to record music, musicians cried that it was the end of the performance industry.What actually happened was that music recording technology enabled more musicians to make money off their music than ever before.Oh, and performance musicians are still doing alright. When radio came out it was proclaimed the end of the music industry. When cable companies emerged it was proclaimed the end of television and movies. The vcr was supposed to kill movies. What have been the positive consequences of filesharing? It was filesharers that forced music companies to publish digital versions of their songs. Filesharing was the internets first killer app(according to doctorow). It encouraged greater investments in broadband technology and memory. I don't claim to have ay answers. I think creators must understand that the environment is ever changing. No business model can stay the same. No one is entitled to make a living doing one particular thing. I for one don't believe ebook piracy is the massive threat that a lot of other readers believe it is. If an author really moves, really touches, really affects his audience, his fans will support him. That doesn't mean there it will be no piracy, but it does mean that as long as there are good writers there will be fans willing to pay for that writing, not because they have to, but because they want that writer to continue to create works. (This is assuming that our minds don't become so vitiated that we cease to be able to distinguish good writing with bad writing and begin to equate tweets with shakespeare. But if that happens our problemswould be a lot bigger than writers being able to make a living.) Just think about this:If Stephen King announced that unless his next novel sold half a million copies he would be unable to write anymore, don't you think that all of his hardcore fans would go out and buy his novel? Last edited by spellbanisher; 02-22-2011 at 11:40 AM.

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02-21-2011, 10:24 PM	#181
Enkidu of Abydos Master of Disaster Posts: 386 Karma: 55466 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Split, Croatia Device: Sony Reader PRS-505	Nah, it's just the after effects of reality tv.

02-21-2011, 10:25 PM	#182
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,922 Karma: 119747553 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2 & PW, Onyx Boox Go6	Nope. Pirates.

02-21-2011, 10:39 PM	#183
spellbanisher Guru Posts: 826 Karma: 6566849 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: kindle keyboard, kindle fire hd, S4, Nook hd+	Reality tv pirates?

02-22-2011, 10:57 AM	#190
spellbanisher Guru Posts: 826 Karma: 6566849 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Bay Area Device: kindle keyboard, kindle fire hd, S4, Nook hd+	A bit over the top enkidu in comparing support for copyright to Nazism.

02-22-2011, 02:43 PM	#195
Giggleton Banned Posts: 1,687 Karma: 4368191 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Oregon Device: Kindle3	I have an almost infinite number of answers, all I do is think of answers to seemingly insurmountable problems. Whether or not anyone else will like those answers is another matter entirely. It seems to me that altering the physicality of another brain, to match the mind of your own or others is one of the hardest things someone can do, but we continually strive to do so. TRUTH: We cannot deny knowledge to those who cannot afford it. Copyright is an illusion, and can be ended now if we so choose. Just share everything you can, this is not "wrong" and this is not "right" This is just something that we need to do. If you like the work of a certain individual, send them some monies. Cake. Creators have the right to sell, but the user has the right to share and possibly even resell. This is not a paradox. It is up to each user to decide who to support monetarily, a very important decision, and one that should never be taken lightly. Society is what we make it.