Why Wi-Fi only tablets are rare: Brilliant iPad pricing - Page 2

brbubba · 02-19-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by snipenekkid

kinda funny [surprising] the Apple camp has not begun saying Apple is selling Touches and iPads at a loss in order to justify the 30% tax in the iTunes Store. I mean they are only marking up the iPad 200%-250%.

There isn't a chance in hell they are selling them at a loss. Apple's entire business model was based on hardware sales. The whole app store kick back was secondary to the profitable hardware business.

A 200% markup isn't unusual for any product. The gaming business has a much larger markup, over 1000%+.

snipenekkid · 02-20-2011, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by brbubba

There isn't a chance in hell they are selling them at a loss. Apple's entire business model was based on hardware sales. The whole app store kick back was secondary to the profitable hardware business.

A 200% markup isn't unusual for any product. The gaming business has a much larger markup, over 1000%+.

oh, good grief!!

HarryT · 02-20-2011, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by brbubba

There isn't a chance in hell they are selling them at a loss. Apple's entire business model was based on hardware sales. The whole app store kick back was secondary to the profitable hardware business.

A 200% markup isn't unusual for any product. The gaming business has a much larger markup, over 1000%+.

It's that markup, of course, which pays the development costs. R&D doesn't come cheap.

roc · 02-20-2011, 03:31 PM

I am not getting something about this subject.

Seems like this subject only appies to the Galaxy Tab (and maybe the Xoom, just released).

The only other tablets with 3g are the Dell Streak (and I would seriously consider one if it were offered by Verizon), and the Huawei S7 (although it seems to be difficult to get on a GSM-based provider, esp T-Mobile, although not so problematic on AT&T per http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/huawei-tablets/ topic postings, so most users are "getting by" with wifi only, and it costs $300 at Best Buy "normally" - 249 this week).

Most other tablets discussed on http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/ seem to be wifi only.

Maybe they are "rare" because they keep selling out as with the wifi-only Archos 101 and 70 tablets (under $400, or less for smaller sizes), and the Nook Color ($250). Enjoying my wifi-only Archos 5 Internet Tablet ($125 open-box closeout at Best Buy, but that is an exceptional situation).

M0zza · 02-20-2011, 04:08 PM

I think that, from major manufacturers, they do not want to be seen as providing something that is inferior or a step backward to the Old Jobsian Fondleslab. So all aspects need to be on a par if not better.

There are a multitude of 7inch Wifi only Android tablets coming out of China, and in some places rebadged and sold for less than $200. I'm tempted by the Nationite MIDnite, but as I have a netbook and a Galaxy S there is no justification for it

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WillysJeepMan · 02-20-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by M0zza

I think that, from major manufacturers, they do not want to be seen as providing something that is inferior or a step backward to the Old Jobsian Fondleslab. So all aspects need to be on a par if not better.

That makes no sense to me. Apple products have never been seen as a "bargain". On the contrary, the anti-Apple bigots claim that Apple overcharges for their products in order to maintain their "boutique" status... that by being overpriced they have generated a certain "snob appeal". (I don't believe that, but that is the claim of most people who dislike Apple)

So if that is the case, then the competition can easily produce product of equal or greater value at a price that is lower than what Apple charges.

The competition is deliberately trying to sell their tablets at higher prices than the iPad because they want to avoid a "race to the bottom" (price-wise). Netbooks experienced an accelerated race-to-the-bottom that ended up not being very profitable. These companies want to avoid a repeat of that.

RockdaMan · 02-20-2011, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WillysJeepMan

That makes no sense to me. Apple products have never been seen as a "bargain".

Macs are price competitive with similarly spec'd PC hardware. There are lots of PC's that are less expensive, but to get the same hardware you will pay the same or more.

iPhones are no more expensive that other smartphones...no one can touch the price of the iPod touch...

M0zza · 02-20-2011, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by WillysJeepMan

That makes no sense to me. Apple products have never been seen as a "bargain". On the contrary, the anti-Apple bigots claim that Apple overcharges for their products in order to maintain their "boutique" status... that by being overpriced they have generated a certain "snob appeal". (I don't believe that, but that is the claim of most people who dislike Apple)

I was stating that other manufacturers would not make a product that some people would say is 'crippled'. And so they all come with the SimCard slot and tethered to a telecom provider. I've never mentioned pricing.

All I know of the major manufacturers tablets is that they are too pricey for me to even bother looking into. And I don't want another telecom bill on top of that.

Lemurion · 02-20-2011, 07:43 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say Apple is overpriced - though I would say they don't compete on price and are more than willing to leave the bottom end of the market to others.

As for the pricing on other tablets - there are plenty of cheap Wi-Fi tablets if you're willing to go with a resistive screen. Beyond that, root a Nook Color.

Crowl · 02-20-2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

Macs are price competitive with similarly spec'd PC hardware. There are lots of PC's that are less expensive, but to get the same hardware you will pay the same or more.

The apple tax has reduced somewhat over the years, but it is completely false to claim it isn't still there.

RockdaMan · 02-20-2011, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowl

The apple tax has reduced somewhat over the years, but it is completely false to claim it isn't still there.

No, your statement is completely false.

Find a PC with the same exact hardware and features. The Apple equivalent will be of equal price or less. You're looking only at the fact that Apple doesn't sell lower cost laptops or desktops.

RockdaMan · 02-20-2011, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

I wouldn't go so far as to say Apple is overpriced - though I would say they don't compete on price

They do now...especially with the iPad, iPhone and the iPod touch.

Lemurion · 02-20-2011, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

They do now...especially with the iPad, iPhone and the iPod touch.

No, I don't think they do. I'd say the iDevices are competitively priced, but that's not the same thing as competing on price. Apple prices them where they want to price them - and let everyone else do the price movement.

RockdaMan · 02-20-2011, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemurion

No, I don't think they do.

You're wrong.

M0zza · 02-20-2011, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RockdaMan

You're wrong.

... And then you are supposed to explain why he is wrong.

Just did a quick check and the similar spec'd laptop from apple is obscenely higher priced than my Acer. But then that is laptops.

02-20-2011, 03:31 PM	#19
roc Enthusiast Posts: 45 Karma: 58 Join Date: Dec 2010 Device: Dell Streak 5, Archos 80, Sony 950, Linux/X86 droid, OLPC XO, cbgs	I am not getting something about this subject. Seems like this subject only appies to the Galaxy Tab (and maybe the Xoom, just released). The only other tablets with 3g are the Dell Streak (and I would seriously consider one if it were offered by Verizon), and the Huawei S7 (although it seems to be difficult to get on a GSM-based provider, esp T-Mobile, although not so problematic on AT&T per http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/huawei-tablets/ topic postings, so most users are "getting by" with wifi only, and it costs $300 at Best Buy "normally" - 249 this week). Most other tablets discussed on http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/ seem to be wifi only. Maybe they are "rare" because they keep selling out as with the wifi-only Archos 101 and 70 tablets (under $400, or less for smaller sizes), and the Nook Color ($250). Enjoying my wifi-only Archos 5 Internet Tablet ($125 open-box closeout at Best Buy, but that is an exceptional situation). Last edited by roc; 02-20-2011 at 03:45 PM.

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02-20-2011, 04:08 PM	#20
M0zza Geek... Apparently Posts: 211 Karma: 51260 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Herts, UK Device: Sony PRS-505 (Silver), ASUS Transformer TF300T, IPAD Air 2	I think that, from major manufacturers, they do not want to be seen as providing something that is inferior or a step backward to the Old Jobsian Fondleslab. So all aspects need to be on a par if not better. There are a multitude of 7inch Wifi only Android tablets coming out of China, and in some places rebadged and sold for less than $200. I'm tempted by the Nationite MIDnite, but as I have a netbook and a Galaxy S there is no justification for it .

02-20-2011, 07:43 PM	#24
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I wouldn't go so far as to say Apple is overpriced - though I would say they don't compete on price and are more than willing to leave the bottom end of the market to others. As for the pricing on other tablets - there are plenty of cheap Wi-Fi tablets if you're willing to go with a resistive screen. Beyond that, root a Nook Color.