Piracy Experiment

[astra]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

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[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by astra

The problem is that when you have something to say, in a LONG thread like this one and you are reading from message 1, you do not bother to read it all and then go back to multi-quote. You'll lose your trains of thought and end up making a mess. It's not worth it just to save a few messages.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is that when you have something to say, in a LONG thread like this one and you are reading from message 1, you do not bother to read it all and then go back to multi-quote. You'll lose your trains of thought and end up making a mess. It's not worth it just to save a few messages.

But it's better to as least skim the whole thread, to see if anyone has already said the same.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

It makes me even more surprised that there isn't a British English version anywhere in the torrents.

A little more investigation shows me that I'm behind the times. There wasn't such a version last time I looked, but there is now.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by wannabee

Another point. I accept that pirates pass on pirated material but if it was your hard earned money that bought that ebook or Adobe program how quick will you break that DRM and pass it on for free?

Part of the "thrill" is being able to release something that nobody else has released yet (why reinvent the wheel?) So if someone who tends to pirate buys something, that implies that there was no free way to get it. Which means that the theoretical piracy enjoying individual would take pleasure in being the one to be the one to make it free.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

1. There's a book you'd like to read or some music you'd like to listen to, but you don't want to pay anyone who actually worked to produce it. So you take it.

I don't know if you were being deliberately obtuse or it came naturally, but I was clearly talking about why people provide pirated files-- why they take the time and effort to break the DRM (including coding new DRM breakers) or take the time to scan, OCR, and edit a book (or the time to do things like create fansubs for foreign media.) Those people aren't being paid one red cent for doing that-- in fact, they are spending their own time and money on working on it, and sometimes even pay for bandwidth to host it. So, yes, my point stands that for the people who provide pirated material, it isn't about making money because no money is made.

[astra]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is that when you have something to say, in a LONG thread like this one and you are reading from message 1, you do not bother to read it all and then go back to multi-quote. You'll lose your trains of thought and end up making a mess. It's not worth it just to save a few messages.

You do not go back to multiquote. You mark the message you want to quote on the go. So, when you read the last message you wanted to read and are ready to quote and reply, you just click on reply under the last message you wanted to reply to. You do not have to remember other posts you wanted to reply to, because you marked them with a single click of a mouse when you were reading.
Please, try it one time and see whether it works for you.

[queentess]

Originally Posted by astra

You do not go back to multiquote. You mark the message you want to quote on the go. So, when you read the last message you wanted to read and are ready to quote and reply, you just click on reply under the last message you wanted to reply to. You do not have to remember other posts you wanted to reply to, because you marked them with a single click of a mouse when you were reading.
Please, try it one time and see whether it works for you.

I'm guilty of not using multiquote sometimes for the same reason. I've gotten over this by opening replies in a new tab, typing up my response (or jotting notes so I don't forget my points), then at the end I copy/paste all my responses together before posting.

[astra]

Originally Posted by queentess

I'm guilty of not using multiquote sometimes for the same reason. I've gotten over this by opening replies in a new tab, typing up my response (or jotting notes so I don't forget my points), then at the end I copy/paste all my responses together before posting.

I have been doing the same until kindlekitten pointed out to JSWolf that we have got the multiquote feature.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Unless the item is genuinely not available, money has almost everything to do with it.

Only up to a point. Convenience is still the primary factor, especially if you don't know what you want to read. I doubt many people really care about writers or publishers, if they did there wouldn't be so many second hand books bought and sold.

[GA Russell]

Originally Posted by jessicalynn

I was in high school during the whole napster thing. However, now that I'm older and itunes exists, why would I pirate music now that I 1)know better and 2) can get it easily, legally, and virus free? I don't really know many people my age that still pirate music.

jessicalynn, I will defer to your experience!

[jgaiser]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Only up to a point. Convenience is still the primary factor, especially if you don't know what you want to read. I doubt many people really care about writers or publishers, if they did there wouldn't be so many second hand books bought and sold.

Not *completely* true. Some of us do care about writers and publishers, but in the case of paper books, both have already been paid for the legal copies that end up in used book stores and the First Sale Doctrine (in the United States) means they both lose control of change of ownership. All of us want a bargain, whether it's a discounted new book or a used book.

[Quexos]

Originally Posted by abookreader

This is my copy of the Clan of the Cave Bear bought from Amazon on October 7, 2010 for $1.59 - put in Calibre and now living as a Mobi file. I'll post my receipt if you insist. As you can see, not justified.

Interesting. So there is not one source for any retail book. You'll have a better or worse version by chance depending where you get it. Perhaps not the same OCR errors ?
It seems to me the publishers have a long way to go to make ebooks more appealing.

[Belle2Be]

Originally Posted by astra

Many so called pirates, a.k.a. lammers are here

Whats a "lammer"?

[Jaime_Astorga]

I'd like to take a moment to congratulate the OP for taking the time to perform an experiment and make empirical observations of the darknet instead of continuing with hear-say, and to further thank them for sharing their results with us. Criticisms about their experimental methodology aside, this is exactly the right attitude people should take to finding out the truth of things.

Originally Posted by wannabee

I accept that pirates pass on pirated material but if it was your hard earned money that bought that ebook or Adobe program how quick will you break that DRM and pass it on for free?

Uhm, very quickly? I swear I cannot understand this mentality of "I had to suffer for it, so even though it won't benefit me in any way other than give me a feeling of satisfaction and justification, you have to suffer for it too instead of getting it without cost." And it's not just with respect to eBooks, either; I see it all the time in the real world too and it baffles me. Not very utilitarian.

Originally Posted by Belle2Be

Whats a "lammer"?

"Lammer."