Yet another TOC question - Page 2

cybmole · 01-26-2011, 03:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Is there some stray <p> </p> or similar between the <body> and the first <h#> ? (or <div> or <br /> )
That just isn't right

does a stray, empty div tag pair add white space above the header, then ?

i see stuff like

Code:

<body class="calibre">
  <div class="calibre2" id="ch05">
    <div class="calibre2">
      <h2 class="halfTitlePageTitle" id="heading_id_2"><span>5</span></h2>

( where calibre 2 is defined as {block} in the stylesheet

but had not thought to remove the div bits
a) 'cos I wasn't sure what they were doing
b) 'cos then contained no text or whitespace & thus I rashly? adjudged them to be harmless ?

what also confused the issue for me, is that code like the above displays well in calibre mobi viewer yet seems to have more whitespace when it is actually on my Kindle

often, also, there is stuff in those div lines that changes each time , so each book needs its own find+ replace construct to remove them

Jellby · 01-26-2011, 04:34 AM

Maybe the CSS code for div.calibre2, or for #ch05, or for div:first-child... has some top margin?

cybmole · 01-26-2011, 04:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

Maybe the CSS code for div.calibre2, or for #ch05, or for div:first-child... has some top margin?

in my example the calibre 2 definition is just BLOCK - nothing else.

also , as a test I stripped out all div lines before my H2 tags, made no difference to appearence in Kindle

pretty sure that Kindle is hard coded to add space around h2 tags, which is what it looks for when you press navigate left or right

Jellby · 01-26-2011, 06:08 AM

But the Kindle is a different beast, it does not read ePUB, but Mobipocket, so whatever the ePUB says is meaningless, all that counts is what goes into the Mobipocket. You are using some converter, that converter might add something or not, it might override the default or not... If you were creating the Mobipocket directly, I'd tell you to use:

Code:

<h2 height="0em">2</h2>

since in Mobipocket pseudo-HTML, "height" means "space above".

cybmole · 01-26-2011, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

But the Kindle is a different beast, it does not read ePUB, but Mobipocket, so whatever the ePUB says is meaningless, all that counts is what goes into the Mobipocket. You are using some converter, that converter might add something or not, it might override the default or not... If you were creating the Mobipocket directly, I'd tell you to use:

Code:

<h2 height="0em">2</h2>

since in Mobipocket pseudo-HTML, "height" means "space above".

yes I am using calibre to convert epub to mobi

theducks · 01-26-2011, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybmole

yes I am using calibre to convert epub to mobi

I only do EPUB

My solutions are aimed at that END.

I would say that <div class="calibre2"> causes a block to be inserted (with inherited: first case, body (margins) attributes).
Thus the behavior Jabby saw.
I would have to see where (Warning: DON'T POST copyrighted material) each of those Div tags closed, but if they just surround the chapter title block...rip those suckers out.

Start with the inner-most pair. See what you get.

Save if good... Remove the next pair

Jabby · 01-27-2011, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Is there some stray <p> </p> or similar between the <body> and the first <h#> ? (or <div> or <br /> )
That just isn't right

I thought the same thing - but there is nothing there. Here is a cut and paste.

<body class="noline" style="">
<h2 class="noline" id="heading_id_2" title="A-A"></h2>

<h3 class="authors" id="heading_id_3">Aguilera, Caroline Garcia</h3>

If I take out the style="" in the first line it makes no difference since Sigil puts it right back in.

Regards - John

Jellby · 01-27-2011, 04:50 AM

Ah, so you have an empty <h2>? Try with "h2.noline { height: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0; }"

Or "h2.noline { display: none }" (though I'm not sure how links no non-displayed elements work.

Jabby · 01-27-2011, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

Ah, so you have an empty <h2>? Try with "h2.noline { height: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0; }"

Or "h2.noline { display: none }" (though I'm not sure how links no non-displayed elements work.

I've tried every combination of values for ".noline" I could think of and only two work; display:inline or margin:0 and you MUST have the class=noline in both the "body" and the "h3" definition.

BTW, I choose "display: inline" because this works best if you want give an image (a cover?) a TOC entry.

Regards - John

P.S. If anybody wants a file to play with I'd be happy to upload a shortened version of the file I'm using.

theducks · 01-27-2011, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jabby

I've tried every combination of values for ".noline" I could think of and only two work; display:inline or margin:0 and you MUST have the class=noline in both the "body" and the "h3" definition.

BTW, I choose "display: inline" because this works best if you want give an image (a cover?) a TOC entry.

Regards - John

P.S. If anybody wants a file to play with I'd be happy to upload a shortened version of the file I'm using.

Jelby has it.

You have an "Empty" (nothing shows on the screen) H2 (That is only used to put a title in the TOC). It still has the Height of a visible H2

You need to override its normal properties and shrink it to 0 (4 things make up vertical space used:Margin Border, Padding, and Text-size(content)
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/box.html to see a model of what you are trying to manipulate,"Your way"

Perkin · 01-27-2011, 11:14 AM

And that's only if the reader handles those properties correctly.

01-26-2011, 06:08 AM	#19
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,556 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	But the Kindle is a different beast, it does not read ePUB, but Mobipocket, so whatever the ePUB says is meaningless, all that counts is what goes into the Mobipocket. You are using some converter, that converter might add something or not, it might override the default or not... If you were creating the Mobipocket directly, I'd tell you to use: Code: <h2 height="0em">2</h2> since in Mobipocket pseudo-HTML, "height" means "space above".

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Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,556 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Maybe the CSS code for div.calibre2, or for #ch05, or for div:first-child... has some top margin?

01-27-2011, 04:50 AM	#23
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,556 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Ah, so you have an empty <h2>? Try with "h2.noline { height: 0; margin: 0; padding: 0; }" Or "h2.noline { display: none }" (though I'm not sure how links no non-displayed elements work.

01-27-2011, 11:14 AM	#26
Perkin Guru Posts: 657 Karma: 64171 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kent, England, Sol 3, ZZ9 plural Z Alpha Device: Sony PRS-300, Kobo Aura HD, iPad (Marvin)	And that's only if the reader handles those properties correctly.