Troubleshooting Diacritics support?

amobile · 01-14-2011, 04:21 PM

Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me with my inquiry on diacritic support.

So does Kindle (all versions) support diacritics? I've searched a lot of places and myself tried a few methods but was not able to properly view diacritics in Kindle (I used Kindle Previewer by the way). Is it just me?

Thanks,
amobile

HarryT · 01-14-2011, 06:10 PM

The Kindle certainly supports all the diacritics found in the standard 1252 code page. Which particular ones did you have in mind?

amobile · 01-14-2011, 09:06 PM

Thank you for replying, HarryT.

I was hoping for perhaps 'Latin Extended Additional' characters with dot below/above characters.

Link: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~tomw/java/unicode.html#x1E00

amobile · 01-15-2011, 03:53 PM

Sorry to bump this up, but I'd appreciate anyone with any ideas.

Jadon · 01-15-2011, 05:39 PM

Looks like it works.

amobile · 01-15-2011, 08:41 PM

Wow, would you mind sharing how I can get it to work please? Do you have to modify the software in anyway or is it in the html coding?

Jadon · 01-15-2011, 10:50 PM

I didn't do anything special. All I did was look at the page you mentioned to check out what the decimal range for Latin Extended Additional was, then made a simple html file:

Code:

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
    "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" />
<title>Latin Extended Additional</title>
</head>
<body>
<p>& #7680;  & #7681;  .....  & #7928;  & #7929;</p>
</body> 
</html>

(Of course there shouldn't be spaces between & and #, but without them this reply box translates each into the actual characters.) I used numeric entities since my usual editor can't handle unicode, but I just did the same thing in an editor which can, substituting the actual letters, and it worked exactly the same. Given the file, you can copy it into the kindle, making sure to change the extension from html to txt so the Kindle will read it. Or you can run it through Calibre or other program to convert to mobi.

So far the only real difference I find in the few files I've done to date is that MOBI files show Authors on the main screen the and TXT files don't. Other than changing the screensavers, I haven't altered my Kindle yet, and that's the default serif font.

amobile · 01-15-2011, 11:06 PM

Thank you for taking the time to reply, Jadon.

I copied the code you've written into notepad and created an html file, which I then used in KindleGen to convert to a .mobi file. However, when I preview the file using Kindle Previewer 1.5, I am obtaining the following screenshot I've attached below. I am sure I am missing something somewhere along the process but not quite sure what it is. Would you know why this is occurring?

susan_cassidy · 01-15-2011, 11:15 PM

Did you put in the right DOCTYPE and charset settings?

amobile · 01-15-2011, 11:25 PM

Susan,

I am not familiar with how I would go about determining the needed DOCTYPE and charset settings. I've been saving my html files as ANSI under Notepad, which I think is identical to Windows-1252 standard. For the above code provided by Jadon I saved the html file as UTF-8 since this is the declaration in the html code listed. Is this what you mean?

HarryT · 01-16-2011, 01:24 AM

Could it be that these characters are simply not present in the font used by the Kindle previewer program?

Jadon · 01-16-2011, 01:00 PM

You do realize the "....." bit in the sample code means "the missing 300 steps of the sequence go here", right? Because if you didn't put those in, your output is exactly correct, though the font the viewer is using isn't as nice as the default on the actual Kindle. Take out everything between the paragraph markers and paste the below in and it should work.

Ḁ ḁ Ḃ ḃ Ḅ ḅ Ḇ ḇ Ḉ ḉ Ḋ ḋ Ḍ ḍ Ḏ ḏ Ḑ ḑ Ḓ ḓ Ḕ ḕ Ḗ ḗ Ḙ ḙ Ḛ ḛ Ḝ ḝ Ḟ ḟ Ḡ ḡ Ḣ ḣ Ḥ ḥ Ḧ ḧ Ḩ ḩ Ḫ ḫ Ḭ ḭ Ḯ ḯ Ḱ ḱ Ḳ ḳ Ḵ ḵ Ḷ ḷ Ḹ ḹ Ḻ ḻ Ḽ ḽ Ḿ ḿ Ṁ ṁ Ṃ ṃ Ṅ ṅ Ṇ ṇ Ṉ ṉ Ṋ ṋ Ṍ ṍ Ṏ ṏ Ṑ ṑ Ṓ ṓ Ṕ ṕ Ṗ ṗ Ṙ ṙ Ṛ ṛ Ṝ ṝ Ṟ ṟ Ṡ ṡ Ṣ ṣ Ṥ ṥ Ṧ ṧ Ṩ ṩ Ṫ ṫ Ṭ ṭ Ṯ ṯ Ṱ ṱ Ṳ ṳ Ṵ ṵ Ṷ ṷ Ṹ ṹ Ṻ ṻ Ṽ ṽ Ṿ ṿ Ẁ ẁ Ẃ ẃ Ẅ ẅ Ẇ ẇ Ẉ ẉ Ẋ ẋ Ẍ ẍ Ẏ ẏ Ẑ ẑ Ẓ ẓ Ẕ ẕ ẖ ẗ ẘ ẙ ẚ ẛ Ạ ạ Ả ả Ấ ấ Ầ ầ Ẩ ẩ Ẫ ẫ Ậ ậ Ắ ắ Ằ ằ Ẳ ẳ Ẵ ẵ Ặ ặ Ẹ ẹ Ẻ ẻ Ẽ ẽ Ế ế Ề ề Ể ể Ễ ễ Ệ ệ Ỉ ỉ Ị ị Ọ ọ Ỏ ỏ Ố ố Ồ ồ Ổ ổ Ỗ ỗ Ộ ộ Ớ ớ Ờ ờ Ở ở Ỡ ỡ Ợ ợ Ụ ụ Ủ ủ Ứ ứ Ừ ừ Ử ử Ữ ữ Ự ự Ỳ ỳ Ỵ ỵ Ỷ ỷ Ỹ ỹ

The actual files I used are attached. They're as I explained, with no changes.

amobile · 01-16-2011, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Could it be that these characters are simply not present in the font used by the Kindle previewer program?

Hmm, I also had this thought. I wonder perhaps if I missed some footnote on Amazon's site regarding this matter. Maybe I'll try to use Mobipocket Reader and see the results there as well. Thanks!

amobile · 01-16-2011, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jadon

You do realize the "....." bit in the sample code means "the missing 300 steps of the sequence go here", right? Because if you didn't put those in, your output is exactly correct, though the font the viewer is using isn't as nice as the default on the actual Kindle. Take out everything between the paragraph markers and paste the below in and it should work.

Ḁ ḁ Ḃ ḃ Ḅ ḅ Ḇ ḇ Ḉ ḉ Ḋ ḋ Ḍ ḍ Ḏ ḏ Ḑ ḑ Ḓ ḓ Ḕ ḕ Ḗ ḗ Ḙ ḙ Ḛ ḛ Ḝ ḝ Ḟ ḟ Ḡ ḡ Ḣ ḣ Ḥ ḥ Ḧ ḧ Ḩ ḩ Ḫ ḫ Ḭ ḭ Ḯ ḯ Ḱ ḱ Ḳ ḳ Ḵ ḵ Ḷ ḷ Ḹ ḹ Ḻ ḻ Ḽ ḽ Ḿ ḿ Ṁ ṁ Ṃ ṃ Ṅ ṅ Ṇ ṇ Ṉ ṉ Ṋ ṋ Ṍ ṍ Ṏ ṏ Ṑ ṑ Ṓ ṓ Ṕ ṕ Ṗ ṗ Ṙ ṙ Ṛ ṛ Ṝ ṝ Ṟ ṟ Ṡ ṡ Ṣ ṣ Ṥ ṥ Ṧ ṧ Ṩ ṩ Ṫ ṫ Ṭ ṭ Ṯ ṯ Ṱ ṱ Ṳ ṳ Ṵ ṵ Ṷ ṷ Ṹ ṹ Ṻ ṻ Ṽ ṽ Ṿ ṿ Ẁ ẁ Ẃ ẃ Ẅ ẅ Ẇ ẇ Ẉ ẉ Ẋ ẋ Ẍ ẍ Ẏ ẏ Ẑ ẑ Ẓ ẓ Ẕ ẕ ẖ ẗ ẘ ẙ ẚ ẛ Ạ ạ Ả ả Ấ ấ Ầ ầ Ẩ ẩ Ẫ ẫ Ậ ậ Ắ ắ Ằ ằ Ẳ ẳ Ẵ ẵ Ặ ặ Ẹ ẹ Ẻ ẻ Ẽ ẽ Ế ế Ề ề Ể ể Ễ ễ Ệ ệ Ỉ ỉ Ị ị Ọ ọ Ỏ ỏ Ố ố Ồ ồ Ổ ổ Ỗ ỗ Ộ ộ Ớ ớ Ờ ờ Ở ở Ỡ ỡ Ợ ợ Ụ ụ Ủ ủ Ứ ứ Ừ ừ Ử ử Ữ ữ Ự ự Ỳ ỳ Ỵ ỵ Ỷ ỷ Ỹ ỹ

The actual files I used are attached. They're as I explained, with no changes.

Thanks, Jadon. I'll try this perhaps on Mobipocket Reader as I don't yet have a Kindle and want to work out this issue prior to actually purchasing one. I'll post back with my findings.

01-14-2011, 04:21 PM	#1
amobile Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle	Diacritics support? Hello everyone, I hope someone can help me with my inquiry on diacritic support. So does Kindle (all versions) support diacritics? I've searched a lot of places and myself tried a few methods but was not able to properly view diacritics in Kindle (I used Kindle Previewer by the way). Is it just me? Thanks, amobile

01-15-2011, 05:39 PM	#5
Jadon Hermit Posts: 192 Karma: 9425 Join Date: Oct 2006 Device: Kindle Keyboard, Kobo Glo	Looks like it works. Attached Thumbnails

01-15-2011, 11:06 PM	#8
amobile Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle	Thank you for taking the time to reply, Jadon. I copied the code you've written into notepad and created an html file, which I then used in KindleGen to convert to a .mobi file. However, when I preview the file using Kindle Previewer 1.5, I am obtaining the following screenshot I've attached below. I am sure I am missing something somewhere along the process but not quite sure what it is. Would you know why this is occurring? Attached Thumbnails

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01-14-2011, 06:10 PM	#2
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	The Kindle certainly supports all the diacritics found in the standard 1252 code page. Which particular ones did you have in mind?

01-14-2011, 09:06 PM	#3
amobile Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle	Thank you for replying, HarryT. I was hoping for perhaps 'Latin Extended Additional' characters with dot below/above characters. Link: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~tomw/java/unicode.html#x1E00

01-15-2011, 03:53 PM	#4
amobile Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle	Sorry to bump this up, but I'd appreciate anyone with any ideas.

01-15-2011, 08:41 PM	#6
amobile Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle	Wow, would you mind sharing how I can get it to work please? Do you have to modify the software in anyway or is it in the html coding?

01-15-2011, 10:50 PM	#7
Jadon Hermit Posts: 192 Karma: 9425 Join Date: Oct 2006 Device: Kindle Keyboard, Kobo Glo	I didn't do anything special. All I did was look at the page you mentioned to check out what the decimal range for Latin Extended Additional was, then made a simple html file: Code: <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;charset=utf-8" /> <title>Latin Extended Additional</title> </head> <body> <p>& #7680; & #7681; ..... & #7928; & #7929;</p> </body> </html> (Of course there shouldn't be spaces between & and #, but without them this reply box translates each into the actual characters.) I used numeric entities since my usual editor can't handle unicode, but I just did the same thing in an editor which can, substituting the actual letters, and it worked exactly the same. Given the file, you can copy it into the kindle, making sure to change the extension from html to txt so the Kindle will read it. Or you can run it through Calibre or other program to convert to mobi. So far the only real difference I find in the few files I've done to date is that MOBI files show Authors on the main screen the and TXT files don't. Other than changing the screensavers, I haven't altered my Kindle yet, and that's the default serif font.

01-15-2011, 11:15 PM	#9
susan_cassidy Wizard Posts: 2,251 Karma: 3720310 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Device: Kindle, iPad (not used much for reading)	Did you put in the right DOCTYPE and charset settings?

01-15-2011, 11:25 PM	#10
amobile Junior Member Posts: 8 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle	Susan, I am not familiar with how I would go about determining the needed DOCTYPE and charset settings. I've been saving my html files as ANSI under Notepad, which I think is identical to Windows-1252 standard. For the above code provided by Jadon I saved the html file as UTF-8 since this is the declaration in the html code listed. Is this what you mean?

01-16-2011, 01:24 AM	#11
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Could it be that these characters are simply not present in the font used by the Kindle previewer program?