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[Grimm]

And again, I disagree with you. I read more on my Nook Color than I ever did on my Nook Classic and my Kindle 3 and do not experience noticeable eye strain. I know you refuse to accept that you could possilby be wrong on this so it's a moot point, but it bears saying that you are NOT the final authority on eye strain. And I have read quite a few 1000+ page books and have indeed confirmed this for myself.

To the OP, take jocampo's words with a grain of salt, he lives to put out there that he knows more about eyestrain than anyone else.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by Grimm

And again, I disagree with you. I read more on my Nook Color than I ever did on my Nook Classic and my Kindle 3 and do not experience noticeable eye strain. I know you refuse to accept that you could possilby be wrong on this so it's a moot point, but it bears saying that you are NOT the final authority on eye strain. And I have read quite a few 1000+ page books and have indeed confirmed this for myself.

To the OP, take jocampo's words with a grain of salt, he lives to put out there that he knows more about eyestrain than anyone else.

So, your "truth" is the final and correct?

I would not expect someone who owns a NC, talking "bad" about the device, don't you think? But you can check yourself and see how many serious reports about LCD and eye strain problems. So, all people saying the same, are just lying or we do have a conspiracy theory against you and people who owns LCD devices?

Listen, I don't work for B&N or Amazon, actually I don't really care if you or any one else own a Nook Color, honestly, but if you really want to be honest and fair, you must accept that under same light conditions, eink is better for your eyes than LCD.

[KryptoNyte]

In an effort to try and keep Eduardito on track in his own thread, perhaps it would best to re-hash the age old discussion of "device A is better than device B" in this classic, but ever-so-enjoyable thread:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=111009

Have a blast.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by KryptoNyte

In an effort to try and keep Eduardito on track in his own thread, perhaps it would best to re-hash the age old discussion of "device A is better than device B" in this classic, but ever-so-enjoyable thread:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=111009

Have a blast.

A recognizable cast of characters.

[ColdSun]

Originally Posted by jocampo

I would say the opposite, I don't understand why NC fans keep insisting on the same topic again and again. If you use LCD for short period of times, probably won't be a problem, but the glare makes the eye to focus the object (letters) much more than with an eink screen, creating eye strain and eye problems over the time.

With sunlight or proper indoor light, eink is better than LCD, at least with current LCD technology. Read a 1000 pages book on both, you will confirm by yourself.

I'm not going to post you links and keep debating (I've done that before here in mobileread) but Google it, you will find tons of information about it. My own doctor confirmed this to me and he is an eye specialist.

I won't bother debating with you either. You see, there is one big difference between me and you, and it has nothing to do with who has more experience with devices. The difference is I do not go into threads about Nook Classic or Eink, or in the forums that are dedicated to those devices, and claim my LCD is better and causes me less eyestrain. Your argument is bunk, no matter which links you could find to fabricate your opinion as fact. You continue to post in threads or forums to debate the same dead horse opinion over and over. Don't you get tired of this agenda?

P.S. I bought a Kindle 3 and took it back. True story.

[jedifarfy]

There are no specific studies yet on LCD vs. e-ink and eye strain yet. It's all personal preference. If you can look at an LCD screen for hours and be fine, great. If you can't, great. I personally have bad eyesight and don't like looking at a computer screen for several hours unless the colors are muted and the brightness is turned down. The NC has an option to turn the background to an offwhite or grey back, and you can turn the brightness down.

Personally, until I see a study or I stop spending hours on the computer, I'll use my Nook Wifi. Or at least until I save up the money for a color. :P

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by ColdSun

I won't bother debating with you either. You see, there is one big difference between me and you, and it has nothing to do with who has more experience with devices. The difference is I do not go into threads about Nook Classic or Eink, or in the forums that are dedicated to those devices, and claim my LCD is better and causes me less eyestrain. Your argument is bunk, no matter which links you could find to fabricate your opinion as fact. You continue to post in threads or forums to debate the same dead horse opinion over and over. Don't you get tired of this agenda?

P.S. I bought a Kindle 3 and took it back. True story.

My post is strictly related to your post #13. I am not saying your device is better than mine or the opposite, but making a point about LCD screens. You are totally altering what I'm saying.

Will not make any other comment about your post, I consider it a confrontation but you are very welcome to Kindle or any other forum; because I own a Nook Color (sold) and also a Kindle, I have the right and actually the facts to make comments just like you. I think that's part of the freedom we all do have on this site.

[Eduardito]

Originally Posted by ColdSun

On the other hand, I couldn't disagree with you more about the NC. You don't even need to root the thing for it to be one of the best readers on the market. It really just comes down to what type of reader you prefer.

I wanted my sideloaded books on the homescreen and all the covers to show up. I had already put about 14 hours trying to get all my covers to show up. I am very OCD about these type of things and I felt it was consuming my life and eliciting my rage.

[Eduardito]

Originally Posted by jocampo

I would say the opposite, I don't understand why NC fans keep insisting on the same topic again and again. If you use LCD for short period of times, probably won't be a problem, but the glare makes the eye to focus the object (letters) much more than with an eink screen, creating eye strain and eye problems over the time.

With sunlight or proper indoor light, eink is better than LCD, at least with current LCD technology. Read a 1000 pages book on both, you will confirm by yourself.

I'm not going to post you links and keep debating (I've done that before here in mobileread) but Google it, you will find tons of information about it. My own doctor confirmed this to me and he is an eye specialist.

I think It would be ideal to have both. I went back to reading books on my laptop which I had been doing for the past couple of years. But if it's sunny I think eInk would perform better.

[Eduardito]

On other news, I sent the device back on Monday and I still haven't received any confirmation that they received it.

[Zuly1201]

Good luck Eduardito!

[Towerblock]

[QUOTE=ColdSun;1327648]How many times do we have to cover this, especially with the same people over and over? eink is no better than LCD. LCD is no better than eink. There are no conclusive medical studies about either, and reading anything, even paper, can give you eye strain. It is a matter of preference on which type of device works best for each user./QUOTE]

While I agree that for some people LCD's cause no issues, for some people LCD's DO cause eye strain where eInk does not. if you could post some articles about eInk causing eye strain I'd love to take a look. I have not come across any, but just because I haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

LCD monitors causing people vision problems is quite well known. I believe every single eye doctor I've been to in the past 10 years has discussed computer monitors causing strain, dry eyes etc. (about 6 doctors). I don't think this news should be anything new to anyone who has gone to an eye doctor?

As for the NC, look at all the GLARE, the fingerprints, the annoying backlight...any of these make it more difficult to read. I have a Nook color and use it to surf the web, which I like it for and watching movies, but for reading books, no way! I also have a Kindle3 and Sony 350 and both are much easier on my eyes.

So I guess we will have to keep covering this until people that do not have issues with LCD screens stop doing a disservice to potential buyers who may be in the population of people that have issues with them.

To simplify/summarize:
It is a FACT (not an opinion) that some people get dry eyes, fatigue, eye strain from looking at LCD monitors. Many of those people report that using eInk their strain goes away.

I think as long as the word "some" is in the statement above, that's a fair bit of information to give a potential buyer who is trying to decide between an eInk or LCD device. Of course, it shouldn't be the only thing one considers, but for people who know their eyes get fatigued on computers, it could be a show stopper in terms of buying the NC.

Anyway, for potential buyers, if you are someone who already gets eye strain/fatigue from computer monitors, I'd say the odds are that you would prefer an eInk device over the NC for lengthy periods of reading. Of course, you'd probably prefer the NC for it's other features though!

[gtriever]

[QUOTE=Towerblock;1335812]

Originally Posted by ColdSun

How many times do we have to cover this, especially with the same people over and over? eink is no better than LCD. LCD is no better than eink. There are no conclusive medical studies about either, and reading anything, even paper, can give you eye strain. It is a matter of preference on which type of device works best for each user./QUOTE]

While I agree that for some people LCD's cause no issues, for some people LCD's DO cause eye strain where eInk does not. if you could post some articles about eInk causing eye strain I'd love to take a look. I have not come across any, but just because I haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

LCD monitors causing people vision problems is quite well known. I believe every single eye doctor I've been to in the past 10 years has discussed computer monitors causing strain, dry eyes etc. (about 6 doctors). I don't think this news should be anything new to anyone who has gone to an eye doctor?

As for the NC, look at all the GLARE, the fingerprints, the annoying backlight...any of these make it more difficult to read. I have a Nook color and use it to surf the web, which I like it for and watching movies, but for reading books, no way! I also have a Kindle3 and Sony 350 and both are much easier on my eyes.

So I guess we will have to keep covering this until people that do not have issues with LCD screens stop doing a disservice to potential buyers who may be in the population of people that have issues with them.To simplify/summarize:
It is a FACT (not an opinion) that some people get dry eyes, fatigue, eye strain from looking at LCD monitors. Many of those people report that using eInk their strain goes away.

I think as long as the word "some" is in the statement above, that's a fair bit of information to give a potential buyer who is trying to decide between an eInk or LCD device. Of course, it shouldn't be the only thing one considers, but for people who know their eyes get fatigued on computers, it could be a show stopper in terms of buying the NC.

Anyway, for potential buyers, if you are someone who already gets eye strain/fatigue from computer monitors, I'd say the odds are that you would prefer an eInk device over the NC for lengthy periods of reading. Of course, you'd probably prefer the NC for it's other features though!

And we will also have to keep covering this until people that do have issues with LCD screens stop doing a disservice to potential buyers who may be in the population of people that do not have issues with them.

Having said that, I agree with the last paragraph of your statement, which is the way the e-ink/lcd argument should be framed.

[cutterjohn42]

Originally Posted by Eduardito

I think It would be ideal to have both. I went back to reading books on my laptop which I had been doing for the past couple of years. But if it's sunny I think eInk would perform better.

Wow! How can you stand to read on a notebook or desktop? I NEVER could, always used a PDA or dedicated reader of some type or failing that treeware.

Sunlight: you're absolutely 100% correct if it's not a Pixel Qi display. (Dear coldsun, this has absolutely nothing to do with health problems, but simple adequate readability in certain lighting conditions, so none of your beating dead horses please.)

[ColdSun]

Originally Posted by cutterjohn42

Wow! How can you stand to read on a notebook or desktop? I NEVER could, always used a PDA or dedicated reader of some type or failing that treeware.

Sunlight: you're absolutely 100% correct if it's not a Pixel Qi display. (Dear coldsun, this has absolutely nothing to do with health problems, but simple adequate readability in certain lighting conditions, so none of your beating dead horses please.)

Its not beating a dead horse to talk about lighting conditions. My specific rant has to do with seeing the same post by the same people in forums and threads that are specifically about LCD readers. In these posts they claim that LCD is bad for the eyes and causes more strain. Which device you prefer is just a matter of your taste or visual preference. I've seen people post here that eInk hurts their eyes when they read in low light, just as I've seen people post that LCD hurts their eyes and eINk is better for them.

Well-lit Conditions (outside or brightly-lit room)
- eInk is superior: The technology displays just like a paper book and does not have any glare
- LCD has too much glare and the backlight interferes with outside reading completely

Low-light Conditions (No light or lamp needed)
- LCD is superior: the backlight illuminates the entire screen evenly and no lamp or light is needed.
- eInk has no backlight and must have a lamp or attached LED light which does not evenly distribute the light on the page.

Other than the above, the fact that eInk has much better battery life is also a great boon to the device preference. All around, an eInk screen emulates the feeling of reading from a paper book far more than reading from an LCD. If reading from paper isn't important, you may be more inclined to read from LCD or even own both devices - like I do.

I know my post sounded a little harsh, but somewhere we have to agree to disagree and just talk about devices. My apologies if what I said was offensive.