Amazon Defends Pedophile Book

[nguirado]

Kenny, do schools in Denver allow girls to show their breasts in class? Why not? What about courts? Weddings?

Every country, certainly Australia, and I think even Colorado has indecency laws. Why do you think they exist?

Now, if you support the supposition that there's such a thing as indecency, but you just wouldn't include breasts in your definition, then we only disagree to the extent the idea should be applied. My standard might not be the same as yours or the king of Saud (I actually happen to think that at some point decency laws are dehumanizing, but you get my point), but lines are drawn somewhere. Now, isn't it very provincial of you guys to sneer at the standards of other cultures or, in the case of Kenny, your countryman?

Do you usually make fun of people who slightly disagree with the specifics of a shared idea?

[AGB]

It's not merely a disagreement on "specifics of a shared idea", it's disagreement at the very core - At the very basis of one's outlook an equality, on raising children, on whether or not one should try to apply one's own (religious) morals to the society at large.

Edit: Let me add, that by your own argument, you only "slightly" disagree with the Taleban and Saudi Arabia.

Yes, I'm being facetious.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by nguirado

Kenny, do schools in Denver allow girls to show their breasts in class? Why not? What about courts? Weddings?
...

Please address my specific questions if you'd like to continue this discussion.

I'll repeat them for you in case you are having trouble remembering:


So the reason we have "cover your breasts" laws is because men can't control themselves? You really believe that?

And you also believe that the women could change the law by themselves.

Do you also believe in Burkas?

[jhempel24]

Can't believe that this topic is still alive, the guy was arrested and charged for distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.

[CWatkinsNash]

Originally Posted by jhempel24

Can't believe that this topic is still alive, the guy was arrested and charged for distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.

Yeah, but I'll be mad if the discussion ends before I figure out how the heck we got on the topic of nekkid tatas.

I've been following along the whole time, but I still have that feeling like I woke up somewhere and can't remember how I got there.

(Not that I've ever done that, mind you.)

[nguirado]

Sorry. I'll be glad to answer questions since it leads to greater understanding and a more interesting discussion, which is one of the reasons I'm here.

Please address my specific questions if you'd like to continue this discussion.

I'll repeat them for you in case you are having trouble remembering:

So the reason we have "cover your breasts" laws is because men can't control themselves? You really believe that?

Not primarily, today, although I think it might be of primary concern in certain situations in some places. I think the primary reason today would be because most people don't want to live in a sexually charged atmosphere. That's why we don't permit certain billboards, music over radio stations, etc. The definition of what's distractingly sexual does differ, but I think the concept itself is universal. So, most of the US, China, Japan, the Muslim world (although I consider something else going on which isn't relevant now), Philipines, parts of Africa, and Latin America generally think it's "indecent" to show breasts while other parts of Africa, certain tribes around the world, and much of Europe think only genitals are "indecent."

And you also believe that the women could change the law by themselves.

I actually just asked my wife and she said that she wouldn't change it. She elaborated, but I'm trying to be brief. The only women who I've ever heard clamor for this change do so for political reasons. Again, I won't elaborate for now. I never ever hear women complain about this law otherwise. I'm willing to bet an Amazon ebook that more women don't want to see other women topless than men don't. I know that even if it were legal, very few women would take advantage.

Do you also believe in Burkas?

I'm not from that part of the world, but according to my morality, men and women are essentially equal and a total covering of the body seems to serve no purpose and, indeed, be a form of humiliation and oppression. Except for certain situations like weddings, I don't think this has ever been the case in the non-Muslim world so it's not a matter of "progress," but an actual difference in values.

I hear reports from European countries that try to ban it that many Muslim women prefer the veil, but I'm not sure.

I'm actually glad you didn't answer my questions since i noticed a flaw. Of course, neither boys nor girls can go to class or court shirtless. I'm assuming you see some utility in that so I withdraw the question. It may illustrate my point better if I were to isolate the boys and girls swim team at the high school. Essentially, there's nothing inherently immoral, I think, about showing women's breasts, but the secondary reaction may not be what we want for society.

[wvcherrybomb]

Originally Posted by CWatkinsNash

Yeah, but I'll be mad if the discussion ends before I figure out how the heck we got on the topic of nekkid tatas.

I was wondering the same thing.

I haven't looked at this thread in a long time. Just thought I would stop in on the last page and see same BR's trying to defend their fellow BR's.

But, alas, it has moved on to breasts in schools.

Curious to see where things are on my visit next month.

[boxcorner]

Originally Posted by jhempel24

Post #889
... the guy was arrested and charged for distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.

Who? Philip R Greaves II?

Addendum
Phillip R Greaves II arrested for selling pedophile how-to book - video
(examiner.com article & Fox video 21 December 2010)

So, how do those people who wanted to see Amazon continue to selling his e-book, now feel in light of his arrest?

kennyc Posts #884 & 888 - What do burqas have to do with the price of tea in China?

Originally Posted by AGB

Post #879
... Clothing: Women has to wear a burka, show no ankle, no bare skin etc ...

AGB - Do you object to women wearing the hijab, al-amira, shayla, khimar or chador?

Here is a BBC web-page that includes helpful graphics showing the different types of Muslim head-coverings: French MPs vote to ban Islamic full veil in public

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by jhempel24

Can't believe that this topic is still alive, the guy was arrested and charged for distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.

And he has not been to trial. It is far from over. Being charged with a crime by a wacko sheriff is not the same as committing the crime.

I can't believe you think it's over.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by nguirado

Sorry. I'll be glad to answer questions since it leads to greater understanding and a more interesting discussion, which is one of the reasons I'm here.

....

Um, no so far the only thing you've done here it drag the whole thread off topic. Just to remind you this thread is about "Amazon Defends Pedophile Book" Please get back on topic, start another thread or tie you preaching to the topic somehow.

Originally Posted by nguirado

. I think the primary reason today would be because most people don't want to live in a sexually charged atmosphere...

This couldn't be more blatently wrong. Have you watched TV Lately? Been to the movies?

Originally Posted by nguirado

...I know that even if it were legal, very few women would take advantage.

This is not even close to addressing the question stated, but again is so it doesn't really matter.

Originally Posted by nguirado

I'm not from that part of the world, but according to my morality, men and women are essentially equal and a total covering of the body seems to serve no purpose and, indeed, be a form of humiliation and oppression. ......

So now you are arguing for full equality of burkas but not of baring chests. That's not hypocritical at all is it?

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by boxcorner

Who? Philip R Greaves II?
...

kennyc Posts #884 & 888 - What do burqas have to do with the price of tea in China?

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Yes this entire topic is about Greaves and his book and amazon. Let's try to stay on topic.

I wasn't the one that drug this off topic, but my comment was to point out the hypocrisy.

[boxcorner]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Yes this entire topic is about Greaves and his book and amazon. Let's try to stay on topic.

I wasn't the one that drug this off topic, but my comment was to point out the hypocrisy.

I didn't interpret your questions:

So the reason we have "cover your breasts" laws is because men can't control themselves?
You really believe that?
Do you also believe in Burkas?

to be comments about this thread's topic.

[penartur]

Originally Posted by Pushka

Hmm, where did that segue come from.

I've just replaced a screwdrivers with books in what you said about Australia.
As i understand from your post, screwdrivers are forbidden and punishable by the law, but you believe that the police and the judge will have some common sense and there will be justice, so that good man won't be checked for a screwdriver, and even if they will be, court will release them.

PS: Your nick keeps bothering me, i don't know such an English word, but there are two Russian words with such transliteration, one meaning "a cannon" and another meaning "fluffy/furry"

[penartur]

Originally Posted by nguirado

Now, in some parts of the world, women do expose their breasts in public and it's not a big deal, I guess.

Oh, tell me about such a country, pleassse! Letting all that Oceania and Africa natives alone.

Maybe one day, American men won't be fazed by the distaff breast. Until then, most places have this law. One thing is certain: if women wanted this law repealed, it would happen the next day.

And in most arabic countries, there is a law that women should wear a hijab. So what?

[penartur]

Originally Posted by jhempel24

Can't believe that this topic is still alive, the guy was arrested and charged for distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to minors.

So did he wrote some another book with "depictions"? I believe that the book in question didn't contain any "depiction".
I guess they should arrest all owners of book stores where Nabokov's Lolita is sold.