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Grand Sorcerer
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Still rationalizing and arguing pointless abstracts. If we don't get off of this, the industry will take another decade to get anywhere.
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This is what I want as a consumer.
I want to be able to download books DRM free from ANY bookstore onto whatever reader I have. I want to be able to transfer those same books onto any new reader of my choice without having to do any stripping or converting. I want a common platform for all books to make this as easy as possible for all of us. I will not pay hard cover prices for Ebooks, I will wait for the release of the MMPB, at which time the Ebook should be released at a LOWER price than the MMPB. Depending on the price then I will decide if I want to buy it. Right now I am seriously debating whether or not to start exploring the darknet to see how complicated and safe it is to download all of my books that I have purchased that are drm'd. I'm starting to explore getting a tablet and it seems that most of them don't accept drm'd books, but I will want them on my tablet so that leaves me to get these books free of drm. I don't share my books whether Ebooks or paperbacks so that has never been an issue for me. But I want to be able to read my books on any hardware that I have. It's not something that I want to do, but publishers have left me no choice in this matter. |
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And I never called anyone names, but just as you are “sick and tired of being called names and stolen from” – I am sick and tired of being called a thief. Just as you don’t want to be lumped in a group that doesn’t fit you, neither do I. I do not know how to break DRM. DRM is NOT fairly easy to break. Of all the people I know in real life that own ebooks and ebook readers, not a single one knows how to break DRM. Most of them have no real clue what DRM means. My mother, who I have to give step by step instructions to open her email, would NEVER EVER learn how to break DRM. All she knows is she feels like she is getting the short end of the stick when it comes to buying books now. So, please, in the future, don’t assume that most consumers are easily circumventing DRM – that’s an assumption and completely false. |
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I have to say that I completely disagree with biometrics, however. In an age when Google can drive down the street and digitally collect private data, I can see biometrics as the opening of Pandora's Box. |
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Well put and not just to Steve but anyone talking about, dealing with, implementing DRM. You all forget that most people are basically honest users without the knowledge, interest or ability to circumvent protections or give copies to everyone on the planet... as far as ebooks are concerned, all the majority would like to use an ereader as simply as possible... load book, open book, read book... at a reasonable price...
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To make my point clearer, think of the following:
If I were to check out a library ebook in Mobipocket format, strip the DRM, convert to ePub, read the book on my nook, and then delete it before my loan was up, I would be violating the license agreement regarding my use of the ebook I downloaded. I would be infringing copyright. But I doubt a reasonable person would consider this theft, provided I deleted the files before the expiration of my loan period. Indeed, for MP3 downloads of audiobooks just this sort of honour system prevails. Conversely, with the right combination of 'carelessly worded' licensing, ebook formats, and ereader hardware, I could keep a library book indefinitely without actually running afoul of copyright law. Yet many reasonable people would consider this a kind of theft (at the very least, 'stealing' circulation numbers from the library). Copyright infringement and theft are two different actions and need to distinguished as such in our ethical discourse just they are kept distinct legally. |
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Yes, it's an assumption... and not one that I made. I said most people could, because there's effectively nothing stopping them... not that they are. |
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