Amazon Defends Pedophile Book - Page 38

penartur · 12-21-2010, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

But... try using that argument after you yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, or shout "Bomb" in an airport.

Then he will be sentenced not because of his words ("you have no freedom of speech, you cannot yell 'Fire'"), but because of consequences. He will be blamed not in yelling, but in causing deaths directly.

penartur · 12-21-2010, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Pushka

The author said that as a teenager (I guess that can mean up to 19) he had sex with a child. And it depends which report you read.

As it was said before, sometimes such laws are a bit dumb. E.g. in Russia 17-year-old may sleep with 14-year-old for a year, and then (when it will be 18 and 15) they should take a break for a year (until it will be 19 and 16), after which they are free to sleep together again.

penartur · 12-21-2010, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Yeah and the U.S. is responsible for the snow and volcanoes shutting down air travel all over Europe (cause of not signing the kyoto protocol eh?)

They directly caused that eruption by throwing some specially designed bomb into that volcano, didn't you know?
Oh yes, and it is USA responsible for Numenor sinked!

penartur · 12-21-2010, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Worldwalker

Communism is bad. Tibet deserves self-determination. China should be free. Democracy is everyone's right. And what's wrong with Falun Gong, anyway?

*offtop* By the way, communism itself does not contradict the freedom of speech. And there is not a lot of real-life communism implementations, so i wonder what made you think so.

Stitchawl · 12-21-2010, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Pornography is in the eye of the beholder, so certain jurisdictions is most appropriate. Some parts of the US are more backwards than others and cling to some rather draconian laws based upon that area's idea of morality.

I'll put it more clearly. What jurisdiction permits child sexual abuse? I would think that even the most liberal of areas with the widest latitude in sexual permissiveness still draws the line at child sexual abuse.

This is my third try at finding a US jurisdiction that permits child sexual abuse and I don't hear anyone telling me where it's legal. I hear people talking about 'draconian laws,' I hear people talking about 'busybodies intent on telling others how to conduct their lives,' and I hear people using semantics to say 'it's the result of the speech that is punishable. But I don't hear anyone acknowledging the fact that this man has been arrested for distributing child pornography. It will be up to the courts to decide if he's guilty or innocent of this charge.

Stitchawl

penartur · 12-21-2010, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

A court-ordered document for arrest has been issued for distribution of child sexual abuse material, isn't that considered a crime?

What do they mean by "distribution"? If i will say some expression, will it mean that i "distribute" that expression to people around me?

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Free Speech does not imply we can say anything we want any time we want.

Oh really? What it does imply then? That we can say anything we want any time we want unless it hurts your feelings?

penartur · 12-21-2010, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

If you truly believe that, try shouting "Bomb" in an airport. Tell the police who are taking you away that you are just speaking, not acting. You will have several years in which to convince them.

Speech is the act itself. However, you're confusing act of shouting "Bomb" with setting up a bomb, and act of writing book about pedophiles with act of molesting children.

mjhudston · 12-21-2010, 06:20 AM

What really frightens me about this whole episode is the "lynch mob" mentality that is rearing it's ugly head, not just here, but in the news and the actions of the state as well.

There seems to be a mentality of let's get him in prison for any reason because we don't like what he has written. That what they do in Iran and North Korea, not what should be done in a Democracy.

Let's extend your thoughts to their logical conclusion, you must now want everybody arrested who writes in detail about murder, rape or robbery. They are illegal acts are they not? But I don't see you callng for all those authors to be arrested?

Some of you have just proved to the educated world, what a bunch of ignorant hypocrites you really are.

tubemonkey · 12-21-2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

I'll put it more clearly. What jurisdiction permits child sexual abuse? I would think that even the most liberal of areas with the widest latitude in sexual permissiveness still draws the line at child sexual abuse.

None that I'm aware of.

Did I get the right answer?

tubemonkey · 12-21-2010, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Stitchawl

But I don't hear anyone acknowledging the fact that this man has been arrested for distributing child pornography. It will be up to the courts to decide if he's guilty or innocent of this charge.

So says some bass ackwards county in Florida.

kennyc · 12-21-2010, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

From a Wash Post article:

This sheriff would've made a good Minister of Morality in the Bush Administration. People like him disgust me and pose a real menace to our liberty.

kennyc · 12-21-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhudston

What really frightens me about this whole episode is the "lynch mob" mentality that is rearing it's ugly head, not just here, but in the news and the actions of the state as well.

There seems to be a mentality of let's get him in prison for any reason because we don't like what he has written. That what they do in Iran and North Korea, not what should be done in a Democracy.

Let's extend your thoughts to their logical conclusion, you must now want everybody arrested who writes in detail about murder, rape or robbery. They are illegal acts are they not? But I don't see you callng for all those authors to be arrested?

Some of you have just proved to the educated world, what a bunch of ignorant hypocrites you really are.

This!

Stitchawl · 12-21-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey View Post
Pornography is in the eye of the beholder, so certain jurisdictions is most appropriate. Some parts of the US are more backwards than others and cling to some rather draconian laws based upon that area's idea of morality.

First you say this. And when I ask you which jurisdictions permit it, you reply with the following;

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

None that I'm aware of.
Did I get the right answer?

The two contradict each other. Perhaps you need to choose one or the other and stand with it.

Stitchawl

Stitchawl · 12-21-2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mjhudston

What really frightens me about this whole episode is the "lynch mob" mentality that is rearing it's ugly head, not just here, but in the news and the actions of the state as well.

There seems to be a mentality of let's get him in prison for any reason because we don't like what he has written.

Well said, except for the fact that he was NOT arrested for writing something. He was arrested for distributing child pornography.

I guess it's just more fun to run amok shouting "Right have been violated" eh?

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But I don't see you callng for all those authors to be arrested?

I don't see anyone calling for the arrest of an author. I DO see people demanding the arrest of an alleged child molester who has been charged with distribution of child pornography.

But I'll pose a question to think about; do you (that's the editorial 'you,') believe that people have, under the 'right of free speech,' the right to publish child pornography? After all, isn't that what Freedom of Speech is all about? The right to say or print or publish anything at all, regardless of content? Or do you think Child Pornography shouldn't be permitted? What else shouldn't be permitted? How about publishing National secrets? Perhaps the routes for nuclear waste on public roads? Should THAT be published?

Frankly, I think there are things that just should be allowed to be published.

Stitchawl

kennyc · 12-21-2010, 07:49 AM

So you are advocating arresting everyone who has written a how to make bombs book. Have I got that right?

What about "There is No Jesus" books?

"How to Cheat the on Your Spouse and not get caught"

"Pay No Income Tax!"

I'm sure all those authors are law breakers too, eh?

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12-21-2010, 06:20 AM	#563
mjhudston All round good egg Posts: 229 Karma: 1005039 Join Date: Oct 2008 Device: Apple Ipad 3rd Generation	What really frightens me about this whole episode is the "lynch mob" mentality that is rearing it's ugly head, not just here, but in the news and the actions of the state as well. There seems to be a mentality of let's get him in prison for any reason because we don't like what he has written. That what they do in Iran and North Korea, not what should be done in a Democracy. Let's extend your thoughts to their logical conclusion, you must now want everybody arrested who writes in detail about murder, rape or robbery. They are illegal acts are they not? But I don't see you callng for all those authors to be arrested? Some of you have just proved to the educated world, what a bunch of ignorant hypocrites you really are.

12-21-2010, 07:49 AM	#570
kennyc The Dank Side of the Moon Posts: 35,904 Karma: 119230421 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Kindle Fire	So you are advocating arresting everyone who has written a how to make bombs book. Have I got that right? What about "There is No Jesus" books? "How to Cheat the on Your Spouse and not get caught" "Pay No Income Tax!" I'm sure all those authors are law breakers too, eh?