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Old 12-20-2010, 04:13 PM   #511
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From what little I have read, and it is very little, Colorado does not have a similar law. I would be very surprised if he is extradited to Florida.

This strikes me as a stupid move. The book and author were no longer in the news. All this does is give the idiot more face time and a probable lawsuit against someone or the State of Florida.
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I'm thinking you should be arrested for defending a child predator. What do you think about that?

Don't bother answering, I won't be looking. This thread makes me sick and so do people who prey on children.

As a famous person once said. "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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Old 12-20-2010, 05:13 PM   #515
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Here and now the issue is CHILD MOLESTERS. I don't care what "rights" anyone has to trample to take him - or any others - down.
Is there some evidence that the author of the book in topic is a child molester? Really, not even an evidence, but at least some clue?
Or should we put MGM bosses in jail just because they produce James Bond movies which feature killing people and even raping some women by 007 itself (by "raping" i mean european "raping", the crime Julian Assange was accused of, you know - if you sleep with one just some days later after you slept with other, then it is a rape, despite whether there was mutual agreement or not).
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I'm thinking you should be arrested for defending a child predator. What do you think about that?
Oh, great. First you start condemning someone to death just because they wrote something that insults you; then you start condemning someone just because they defend the first person, etc. USA is the heart of freedom, i see.
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I remember several years ago when a guy in Milpitas, CA had a computer bulletin board (this was 1991) and someone from Tennessee complained to the U.S. Postmaster about the porn (not child porn but just plain old porn). The guy was arrested and extradited to Tennessee where he was found guilty of distributing obsene material and was sentenced to prison. He also lost his appeal in 1996. The material was not considered obsene in CA but was in TN, so there is precedent for one state having different standards than another. I still don't think it is likely, but people rightly hate pedophiles so this guy could see some prison time. Here is the prior case.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:56 PM   #518
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Is there some evidence that the author of the book in topic is a child molester? Really, not even an evidence, but at least some clue?
From a previous post of mine:

Asked if he had engaged in sexual acts with children as an adult, Greaves first answered “could have,” before stating flatly that he had not engaged in such illegal conduct. Source
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Old 12-20-2010, 06:29 PM   #519
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Can we please not loose sight of the fact that this guy is pure sleaze?

You aren't defending someone's right to speak against a government.
You aren't defending someone's right to speak against a race or religion.
You aren't defending someone's right to speak an ideology.
These are all permitted in some other societies and some other cultures.

You ARE defending someone's right to abuse children.
This is permitted nowhere.

"Free Speech" is a freedom. "Freedom" implies 'responsibility.'
Let's be responsible.


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Old 12-20-2010, 06:32 PM   #520
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Can we please not loose sight of the fact that this guy is pure sleaze?

You aren't defending someone's right to speak against a government.
You aren't defending someone's right to speak against a race or religion.
You aren't defending someone's right to speak and ideology.
These are all permitted in some other societies and some other cultures.

You ARE defending someone's right to abuse children.
This is permitted nowhere.

"Free Speech" is a freedom. "Freedom" implies 'responsibility.'
Let's be responsible about child abuse.


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I am sorry to disagree with you, but freedom of speech is INDEPENDENT of the topic.
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Old 12-20-2010, 06:35 PM   #521
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I am sorry to disagree with you, but freedom of speech is INDEPENDENT of the topic.
It's OK to disagree with me. I know where you live. I can find you.

But... try using that argument after you yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, or shout "Bomb" in an airport. By today's laws, Freedom of Speech is very much dependent upon topic.


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It's OK to disagree with me. I know where you live. I can find you.

But... try using that argument after you yell "Fire" in a crowded theater, or shout "Bomb" in an airport. By today's laws, Freedom of Speech is very much dependent upon topic.


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We've been through all this above in this thread and many others.

Certain specific actions that might otherwise be free speech are specifically outlined as breaking OTHER laws. Things like slander and libel.

As I said above I may not agree with what this book is about but provided it is legal to publish I will defend it with my life because not to is to throw away everything we hold dear as Citizens of the U.S.A.

Nor does my defense of this freedom of speech have anything to do with supporting child abuse or molestation. No more than my defense of authors rights to publish books on how to make bombs or guns means I support activities that would be illegal.

It's a damn slippery slope when we start banning books and speech and freedom and I will not be a part of it.
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You ARE defending someone's right to abuse children.
This is permitted nowhere.
I haven't seen anybody do any such thing. If they can actually find a law that this guy has violated - then I'm all for Prosecuting and imprisonment.

I'm not in favor of shaky trumped up charges where everybody turns their back and pretends it doesn't matter that he actually hasn't broken any laws because we all "know" he's despicable scum.

The Police and the Prosecutors need to do their jobs and find valid legal grounds to arrest him on. That's all I'm asking.
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Is there some evidence that the author of the book in topic is a child molester? Really, not even an evidence, but at least some clue?
Or should we put MGM bosses in jail just because they produce James Bond movies which feature killing people and even raping some women by 007 itself (by "raping" i mean european "raping", the crime Julian Assange was accused of, you know - if you sleep with one just some days later after you slept with other, then it is a rape, despite whether there was mutual agreement or not).
The author said that as a teenager (I guess that can mean up to 19) he had sex with a child. And it depends which report you read.

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Certain specific actions that might otherwise be free speech are specifically outlined as breaking OTHER laws. Things like slander and libel.
And apparently others as well or a subpoena wouldn't have been issued by the courts. Granted, it may be overturned later, but for right now there are legal minds who believe a crime has been committed. He hasn't been arrested for what he said. He has been arrested for what he did... or at least what the courts say he did.

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As I said above I may not agree with what this book is about but provided it is legal to publish I will defend it with my life because not to is to throw away everything we hold dear as Citizens of the U.S.A.
We already did. Have you ordered you U.S. Passport Card yet? The I.D. card that we will soon be required by law to carry? Please check into it. There is a 3 month wait to get them right now. This is not a passport. It's an I.D. card. It's being kept quite low key, but the first action has already been through the House. I'm afraid we gave up most of those rights with the passage of the Patriot Act, including our most precious of rights, the Right to Due Process, and Freedom from Random Search and Seizure. We don't have half the freedoms we had prior to 9/11 and the passage of that Act. It's just that most folks aren't aware of that fact as yet.

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It's a damn slippery slope when we start banning books and speech and freedom and I will not be a part of it.
Did you vote against the Patriot Act? Most of us didn't even know it was up for a vote when it's first year of 'emergency action and activation' was ending. By not voting against this temporary stop-gap enacted after 9/11 it automatically became law.

It's one thing to stand up for Free Speech. We should. But we should have a more clear definition of just what Free Speech means.

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