Nook 1.5 or Kindle 3? - Page 2

boswd · 12-10-2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

Question for you: why should I convert a book if I can read it on my device? If Kindle customers are happy with the books they have and found on Amazon, why should they try and convert to epub, if they just don't own a Nook?

The opposite is also true. If you have an epub formatted book, why would you like to convert to MOBI, if you just don't own a Kindle? The only explanation, to either case, is if you changed your device (Nook for Kindle or Kindle for Nook) on which case, you can't anyway, not in a legal way, because both are DRM protected books.

I've experienced zero problems converting DRM free books from epub to mobi and/or mobi to epub. It would be good for you to check Calibre settings and the chosen layout.

Basically because they were free. We both share a common interest in Dean Koontz and Stephen King, I had a ton of their books in ePub format, so instead of him buying each one he could convert and download for free.

These were books bought outside of BN that I had on my Calibre library.

The settings could have been off but I doubt it, it just can happen from time to time. It's not a 100% guarantee your books will look exactly like the one that it is being converted from .

erictoma · 12-10-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

Question for you: why should I convert a book if I can read it on my device? If Kindle customers are happy with the books they have and found on Amazon, why should they try and convert to epub, if they just don't own a Nook?

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Why are you talking about yourself ?
I told that thousands of book are not available in your kindle store !
They are not in Kindles format !

boswd · 12-10-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

When that happens, 3, 4 or 5 years later, the MS-SQL, Oracle or whatever book I have is too old to keep! At that point I don't want that book anymore. That could be true if we're talking about "El Quijote" or "Cien años de Soledad" or any other classic which has been immortalized already. Those books are easily to convert, pure text, like same way I can convert an mp3 Beethoven's symphony to OGG so I can play it without additional drivers on my Linux box.

Neither you or I can tell for sure, which electronic format will finally stay or survive, it could be that the market will keep supporting two or three, at the same time. Everything depends of the sales and what people buy. And people are buying more Kindle books than B&N books, the sales are there, you can Google that.

See I don't think there is a particular war going ala HD DVD vs Blu ray a couple of years ago, where there was going to be a winner or loser.

I think it'll be similiar to digital music where multiple formats will be available and one being the most widely useds along the lines MP3 being the most popular but also having aac, ogg vorbis, FLac and then of course there wil still be proprietory formats like Amazons AZW and BN's DRMePub just as there is Applelossless.

I really do see this shaping up to be very similiar to the digital music formats with ePub being the MP3 of the ebook world.

jocampo · 12-10-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by erictoma

I told that thousands of book are not available in your kindle store !
They are not in Kindles format !

That is not a fact, it is a comment. There is no such interoperability between databases so you can create a UNION via SQL and determine how many thousand of books you have or not.

You cannot confirm how many books you have or not on different stores because they just don't tell! Not B&N, not Amazon. They just give rough numbers without titles

The amount of available books someone can find or not, depends of the personal taste and doing an online search.

jocampo · 12-10-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

See I don't think there is a particular war going ala HD DVD vs Blu ray a couple of years ago, where there was going to be a winner or loser.

I think it'll be similiar to digital music where multiple formats will be available and one being the most widely useds along the lines MP3 being the most popular but also having aac, ogg vorbis, FLac and then of course there wil still be proprietory formats like Amazons AZW and BN's DRMePub just as there is Applelossless.

I really do see this shaping up to be very similiar to the digital music formats with ePub being the MP3 of the ebook world.

That is correct. But what is not, is giving the "black and white" advice to someone saying e-reader "abc" is better than "xyz" because you have one or you can find more books here and there. The e-reader is a tool, which you use to read the books that you like. Books that I read or like, can or cannot be the same you like, then your e-reader is not useful for me because I cannot use it to read the books I want.

I wish people here and other places can make that distinction instead of being passionate about their e-readers just because they have one and they like it.

erictoma · 12-10-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

And people are buying more Kindle books than B&N books, the sales are there, you can Google that.

This is a biased comparison lol
People are buying far more ePub format than the unique kindle format indeed.

boswd · 12-10-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

That is correct. But what is not, is giving the "black and white" advice to someone saying e-reader "abc" is better than "xyz" because you have one or you can find more books here and there. The e-reader is a tool, which you use to read the books that you like. Books that I read or like, can or cannot be the same you like, then your e-reader is not useful for me because I cannot use it to read the books I want.

I wish people here and other places can make that distinction instead of being passionate about their e-readers just because they have one and they like it.

I agree with what you are saying and understand where you are coming from but that is a clear black and white advantage to own a device that supports the most widely used format. Yes fanboyish will always come through, heck I'm one of them

but the ability to shop around and have access to your local library is a HUGE plus for the nooks, sony's, kobo's. It just is.

If I were a kindle owner I would be very upset with Amazon and start directing some of my anger towards that company to push them to get ePub format supported. I really would. When basically every single ereading device supports it and the kindle does not, that's a red flag.

ProfCrash · 12-10-2010, 05:18 PM

It is a huge plus if that is important to you. I don't check books out of the library so I could careless about that. I have been able to find most of the books that I want at Amazon so I don't need to shop around. When a book has not been available at Amazon it has not been available at B&N or Sony or Kobo so shopping around has been pretty useless.

boswd · 12-10-2010, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

When that happens, 3, 4 or 5 years later, the MS-SQL, Oracle or whatever book I have is too old to keep! At that point I don't want that book anymore. That could be true if we're talking about "El Quijote" or "Cien años de Soledad" or any other classic which has been immortalized already. Those books are easily to convert, pure text, like same way I can convert an mp3 Beethoven's symphony to OGG so I can play it without additional drivers on my Linux box.

Neither you or I can tell for sure, which electronic format will finally stay or survive, it could be that the market will keep supporting two or three, at the same time. Everything depends of the sales and what people buy. And people are buying more Kindle books than B&N books, the sales are there, you can Google that.

sure kindle books sell more than BN books, the kindle is more popular. Amazon was the first to truely market their gadget. They ran commericials took out ads in magazines etc. They got their product to become a household name.
But that is no guarantee that will stay the same. As ereaders in general become more popular the scales will start to balance.
Most people didn't even know other ereaders existed. Kudos to their marketing department.

But that is really changing though. More and more people are starting to discover there are choices. Unlike a year ago.

Right now I think we are in a gray area between the Kindle possibly being the iPod of ereaders and the others, the nook in particular, from getting into the game and competing just in time to make it a more balanced market.

Which I think everyone would agree only benefits us the consumer to have a competitive marketplace.

boswd · 12-10-2010, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfCrash

It is a huge plus if that is important to you. I don't check books out of the library so I could careless about that. I have been able to find most of the books that I want at Amazon so I don't need to shop around. When a book has not been available at Amazon it has not been available at B&N or Sony or Kobo so shopping around has been pretty useless.

technically I guess you are right it does come down to personal consumer wants but I'm willing to wager if you took a poll of having the ability to shop around and use of your library or a more of a closed off eco system

I think it would be a landslide for the shopping around.

In fact I'm willing to be they would be champagne corks popping if Amazon agreed to bring ePub on board

jocampo · 12-10-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by erictoma

People are buying far more ePub format than the unique kindle format indeed.

Another comment, not a fact. There is no way to calculate how many epub or azw books have been sold in 2010, period! They are not giving those numbers. Please stop making personal comments and expose facts.

In 2010, and according to Len Riggio, Amazon has sold 6.6 million units, while B&N about 2 million (including Nook color)

You do the math.

ProfCrash · 12-10-2010, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by boswd

technically I guess you are right it does come down to personal consumer wants but I'm willing to wager if you took a poll of having the ability to shop around and use of your library or a more of a closed off eco system

I think it would be a landslide for the shopping around.

In fact I'm willing to be they would be champagne corks popping if Amazon agreed to bring ePub on board

People have that choice right now and they are buying Kindles. Libraries are not used as much as some people think they are. I would bet that more people go to the library to use the computers then to check out books.

I have no problem with EPub. I would be happy if Amazon brought EPub on board. I doubt that they will ever bring on a version of EPub that requires the use of Adobe software.

The reality, for me and many other folks, is that Amazon provides the books that we need and the format doesn't matter. I know that the EPub users want it to matter but it doesn't.

ProfCrash · 12-10-2010, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

Another comment, not a fact. There is no way to calculate how many epub or azw books have been sold in 2010, period! They are not giving those numbers. Please stop making personal comments and expose facts.

In 2010, and according to Len Riggio, Amazon has sold 6.6 million units, while B&N about 2 million (including Nook color)

You do the math.

And Amazons sales took a nice little bump once the IPad was sold because IPad users download the app and started buying books from Amazon for their IPad.

jocampo · 12-10-2010, 05:39 PM

I would be more than happy if Amazon starts supporting epub format, but what's the point? When buying an e-reader people should focus on book's availability, not just the format. Regular, casual users, which are the majority, don't care about CSS support, re-flowing, etc. As long as you can find your book and read it, that's more than enough. Amazon sales and numbers prove that.

Actually, even if epub is the de-facto standard right now I would be afraid of moving to Nook again or keep any of those devices. That company is struggling to stay alive and avoid bankruptcy. If that happens, where are you going to buy your epub books for your Sony or Kobo, Borders? Then situation can flip, and people will have no other choice than look forward and move to Kindle.

It is not about the format, it is about the user and what they like to read.

erictoma · 12-10-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jocampo

In 2010, and according to Len Riggio, Amazon has sold 6.6 million units, while B&N about 2 million (including Nook color)

You do the math.

We are talking about the availability of ebooks not about the ereaders themselves !
WOW how biased are you argument !
We were saying that epubs format are more ubiquitous then Kindle unique format.
and you have replayed that Amazon has sold 6.6 million units its eReader lol

you are funny really
listen guys forget all reviews !, go buy Kindle because 6.6 million units were sold.
what a strange kind of math are you preaching !

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ProfCrash Tea Enthusiast Posts: 8,554 Karma: 75384937 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Somewhere in the USA Device: Kindle1, Kindle DX Graphite, K3 3G, IPad 3, PW2	It is a huge plus if that is important to you. I don't check books out of the library so I could careless about that. I have been able to find most of the books that I want at Amazon so I don't need to shop around. When a book has not been available at Amazon it has not been available at B&N or Sony or Kobo so shopping around has been pretty useless.

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jocampo Layback feline Posts: 3,034 Karma: 6980745 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: USA Device: Oasis 2nd gen, Sony DPTS1, iPad Pro 10.5"	I would be more than happy if Amazon starts supporting epub format, but what's the point? When buying an e-reader people should focus on book's availability, not just the format. Regular, casual users, which are the majority, don't care about CSS support, re-flowing, etc. As long as you can find your book and read it, that's more than enough. Amazon sales and numbers prove that. Actually, even if epub is the de-facto standard right now I would be afraid of moving to Nook again or keep any of those devices. That company is struggling to stay alive and avoid bankruptcy. If that happens, where are you going to buy your epub books for your Sony or Kobo, Borders? Then situation can flip, and people will have no other choice than look forward and move to Kindle. It is not about the format, it is about the user and what they like to read.