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On the other side, what ahi did with his PDF versions of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War" can easily be qualified as a "format shifting", to PDF, of Lionel Giles' translation, which is available from PG. Let's put aside what both you and I think of PDF as a format for e-books, when ahi offered his version(s) to the MR users, quite a few of them liked it a lot. I am not so sure that "modification" can be easily distinguished from "format shifting". |
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Herding cats. First there were the people that objected because fraud is a "legal term". Now there are people that object because, even if it is vraud, it's impossible/inefficient/inelegant to enforce a law against this type of vraud.
That's not the point. We are not sitting in a legislative body trying to frame a law. We are trying to decide, as a community, whether somebody selling an identical copy of a public domain text with no notice that it is freely available elsewhere is to be condoned or not. Can we all agree first, that it is vraud. Then we can move on to discussions about what, if anything, should be done about it. And if you don't agree, then please present a counter argument that addresses the classification of the act, not its legal definition or legislative consequences. Let me put the question to you another way. Say tomorrow someone comes to you with an idea for making a quick buck. He says, "Let's download all the books from PG and run them through calibre, then sell them for $x." Would you encourage this person, or not? |
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Is it illegal to do this?
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No. As you know very well, I choose to give my hand-formatted books away for free, but that's my personal choice. I could sell them if I wished to, and I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone who did make that choice.
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You see nothing wrong in profiting from one set of people's work by deceiving another set of people? Really? Then I'm afraid I can think of nothing more to say.
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You see that as deceit and I don't. We're at an impasse, so there's really no point in hashing this out any further. |
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Bottled water doesn't contain a warning notice that says "this contains the same nutrients that you can get from any kitchen sink." People are expected to know that they're paying for convenience and packaging. Project Gutenberg is not a new, obscure website; people who don't know that "the classics" are often available for free online, or don't want to go looking to figure out from where, don't deserve any special consideration from people who reformat ebooks for sale. That said--I'd love ebooks, or rather, all books, to carry ACCURATE copyright information. Not just "Copyright (year) by (publisher)," but "text copyright (year) by (author); this edition's formatting & introductory notes copyrighted (year) by (author/publisher)." I hate that the same book can have six different copyright dates in its various reprints. Especially for the pre-1963 books, where initial publication date is very relevant to when it'll hit the public domain. And I'd like public domain books to be labeled as having PD text, and claiming copyright on the contents, rather than the layout, to be considered legal fraud. |
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I think that lifetime is a good. The perceived value of one book can be increased by the author writing another, so as long as the author still writes, there should be the copyright to all the older works.
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This can be good if they offer all the PD books in a nice zip file. I'm sure that many would prefer to be able to get all the books at once, and not have to download them one-by-one.
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kovidgoyal, just to be sure, do you consider selling some product but not advertising all the possible competition's alternatives a fraud/vraud/deception/immoral/unethical ?
It is one thing to repackage/rebrand/formatshift and sell something which someone else already offered for less, and completely another thing to use the power of the state to prohibit everyone else to do the same. |
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Also if it is a book I would expect to be told the source of the text. |
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