Can you pull your kindle off the Amazon grid? - Page 2

daffy4u · 12-02-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by charonme

some of know what he means and we try to help

Then it would be helpful to explain the meaning to those of us you feel are not being helpful. I asked for some clarification and if you can answer my query, I (and others) might be able to be more helpful. We are all just Kindle users here and can only share our personal experience.

End the end the best way to know, is to make use of the 30 day return policy and try out things for yourself.

wvcherrybomb · 12-02-2010, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by daffy4u

I'm not sure what you mean by being "bothered" by Amazon.

I'm really curious about this too. Do you think Amazon will get into your stuff? I don't mean the question to be rude, I am just trying to understand the reasoning.

I have always looked at iTunes and Amazon as being an advantage since they save all your content for you. If your device is lost/broken/stolen or even if you just want to get a new version you can easily re-download all your purchases.

As others have said, you can just never turn on wifi. It's impossible to turn on by accident since you have to set up each connection.

mikeayers · 12-02-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by whitearrow

I think that if the 3G was able to turn itself on without any user intervention that the Kindle would be prohibited on airplanes, and anyplace else where you have to be sure that connectivity is turned completely off.

I also think that after all this time, we'd have had some reports of the Kindle turning itself on, if it were indeed able to do so.

I agree that it is very very unlikely, but I guess it theoretically possible, where with just the wifi not being setup it couldn't do it at all.

kindlekitten · 12-02-2010, 02:02 PM

seriously. no. the average user is simply not important enough to be looked at. if it becomes necessary to look at these things, then court orders and warrants would be involved.

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Originally Posted by wvcherrybomb

I'm really curious about this too. Do you think Amazon will get into your stuff? I don't mean the question to be rude, I am just trying to understand the reasoning.

I have always looked at iTunes and Amazon as being an advantage since they save all your content for you. If your device is lost/broken/stolen or even if you just want to get a new version you can easily re-download all your purchases.

As others have said, you can just never turn on wifi. It's impossible to turn on by accident since you have to set up each connection.

seriously people...

DiapDealer · 12-02-2010, 02:08 PM

If it concerns you that much, then obviously, any portable device with 3G and/or WiFi is not for you. Luckily, you have alternatives.

charonme · 12-02-2010, 02:52 PM

As I said, I believe it's possible to use the wifi without the risk of amazon tampering with your device

niceboy · 12-02-2010, 04:13 PM

Why Kindle? Read-to-Me. Just that. I got it for the Text-to-Speech function and the lower price. I have been using Text-to-Speech for two years on a PC but being able to have portable TTS without burning 10+ hour long sequences of MP3s is nice.

catsittingstill · 12-02-2010, 04:35 PM

I've had Kindles for years and never caught them "phoning home" without being told. I think it's okay.

But if you really are worried about it, I wouldn't bother with a lead cover--one of those foil bags that computer chips and circuit boards come in would do you fine and would be much lighter.

Anyway--couldn't you just not register it? Then Amazon might know there was a Kindle out there with such and such files on it, but wouldn't know who had it.

patrickt · 12-02-2010, 04:57 PM

Some have asked why the OP has a Kindle if he doesn't want to do business with Amazon. If you look at his other posts you will find out he also doesn't read. So, if I spell it out he probably won't get it, t-r-o-l-l.

mr ploppy · 12-02-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No, it isn't. It's only on when you turn it on.

Wouldn't that be when it looks for updates and reports home then?

mr ploppy · 12-02-2010, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

good grief. some folks just really need to invest in the aluminum market

y'all really are not that important

Maybe he's just thinking of Amazon removing books while he's reading them, like they did a few years back. Could they do that with DRM-free ebooks? Presumably they would know what you are reading the same way that they know what you look at on their website.

wvcherrybomb · 12-02-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

seriously. no. the average user is simply not important enough to be looked at. if it becomes necessary to look at these things, then court orders and warrants would be involved.

I completely agree with this statement. I was trying to figure out if paranoia is behind the question or some other reason that I couldn't think of.

A friend of mine's mother seriously believes that government and big business are spying on everyone. No amount of logic can convince her that they do not have the time/money/inclination to watch every ordinary citizen. If he thinks like this then perhaps he will be more comfortable knowing that he is in control of the wifi.

If there were some other reason for his desire to be completely disconnected, I was curious to hear what is was. I gave it quite a bit of thought and couldn't come up with anything.

mr ploppy · 12-02-2010, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wvcherrybomb

A friend of mine's mother seriously believes that government and big business are spying on everyone. No amount of logic can convince her that they do not have the time/money/inclination to watch every ordinary citizen. If he thinks like this then perhaps he will be more comfortable knowing that he is in control of the wifi.
.

When Jill Dando was killed, the person who was originally convicted of doing it was questioned because he searched Google for information on her a few days earlier. Everything you do online is monitored and stored away for future use by both your ISP and most of the websites you go to. Most of it is just used to target advertising at you, but your government will also have access to that data. But unless they were already watching you for some reason, they would probabyl never look at it.

With Amazon and other commercial sites there is a lot to be gained from watching what people do, and I doubt Amazon would pass up on such an opportunity. If they know what books you read and how long you take to read them, they will know precisely when to present you with a list of books you might be interested in. They could even have samples of those books sent to your Kindle automatically on the day they expect you to finish the book you are reading.

DMSmillie · 12-02-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

With Amazon and other commercial sites there is a lot to be gained from watching what people do, and I doubt Amazon would pass up on such an opportunity. If they know what books you read and how long you take to read them, they will know precisely when to present you with a list of books you might be interested in. They could even have samples of those books sent to your Kindle automatically on the day they expect you to finish the book you are reading.

Has anyone ever reported/mentioned/referred to anything like that happening?

daffy4u · 12-02-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

When Jill Dando was killed, the person who was originally convicted of doing it was questioned because he searched Google for information on her a few days earlier. Everything you do online is monitored and stored away for future use by both your ISP and most of the websites you go to. Most of it is just used to target advertising at you, but your government will also have access to that data. But unless they were already watching you for some reason, they would probabyl never look at it.

Why are you bringing up death? This is just an ebook reader for goodness sakes.

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12-02-2010, 02:08 PM	#20
DiapDealer Grand Sorcerer Posts: 28,881 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD	If it concerns you that much, then obviously, any portable device with 3G and/or WiFi is not for you. Luckily, you have alternatives.

12-02-2010, 02:52 PM	#21
charonme Zealot Posts: 103 Karma: 11904 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: K3	As I said, I believe it's possible to use the wifi without the risk of amazon tampering with your device

12-02-2010, 04:13 PM	#22
niceboy Enthusiast Posts: 48 Karma: 14 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle	Why Kindle? Read-to-Me. Just that. I got it for the Text-to-Speech function and the lower price. I have been using Text-to-Speech for two years on a PC but being able to have portable TTS without burning 10+ hour long sequences of MP3s is nice.

12-02-2010, 04:35 PM	#23
catsittingstill Guru Posts: 643 Karma: 551634 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Kindle 1.0.8, iPod Touch, Kindle Keyboard	I've had Kindles for years and never caught them "phoning home" without being told. I think it's okay. But if you really are worried about it, I wouldn't bother with a lead cover--one of those foil bags that computer chips and circuit boards come in would do you fine and would be much lighter. Anyway--couldn't you just not register it? Then Amazon might know there was a Kindle out there with such and such files on it, but wouldn't know who had it.

12-02-2010, 04:57 PM	#24
patrickt Wizard Posts: 1,221 Karma: 8381518 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Oaxaca, Mexico Device: Paperwhite 4 X 2	Some have asked why the OP has a Kindle if he doesn't want to do business with Amazon. If you look at his other posts you will find out he also doesn't read. So, if I spell it out he probably won't get it, t-r-o-l-l.