Any way I could get calibre usable ?

[EowynCarter]

Whenever I update my sources, I copy it to Calibre and to the "clean" copy location. It only takes about 5 seconds longer...

And when you edit tags in calibre, how do you get the change to the "clean" copy ?

I'm guessing Kovid is tired of threads like these.

Yeah, i can understand that

He has stated, previously in threads like this thread, that he has neither the time nor the interest in writing the code for these changes but that he would gladly accept code along these lines.

Guess there is hope maybe.
But getting into calibre probably huge code, will take me as much time and effort than coding an application to do what i need. And going into C++ again. For a less satisfying result.
And as long as calibre user will yell at anyone suggesting these changes, guess no one will be motivated to code.

[Manichean]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

But getting into calibre probably huge code, will take me as much time and effort than coding an application to do what i need. And going into C++ again. For a less satisfying result.
And as long as calibre user will yell at anyone suggesting these changes, guess no one will be motivated to code.

FWIW, Calibre is written in Python, not C++.
As for the yelling: I've stated similar things in the last thread we got about the calibre library file system: We regularly get threads like this. Most of the regular people browsing this forum are probably quite annoyed by them. Most of the people asking for these changes are... less than polite (sadly, I'd have to say that includes you). (Interestingly, although the threads almost always boil down to "code it yourself, if you care, and submit the patch, which Kovid has stated before he will not refuse", noone has done anything about it until now.) So, although the more-than-usual escalation in this thread may not have been solely your fault, try to see things from the perspective of having to go through the same discussion over and over and over again without any new results.

[DoctorOhh]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

But getting into calibre probably huge code, will take me as much time and effort than coding an application to do what i need.

If you contact Kovid to discuss this topic he usually has some ideas of his own and will point folks to the specific area in the code to get started. Maybe the area where the GUI interfaces with the database?

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

And going into C++ again. For a less satisfying result.

If you aren't interested that's fine, I understand. Something along these lines wouldn't be easy. Again, if you aren't interested in pursuing this further it's time to move on.

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

And as long as calibre user will yell at anyone suggesting these changes, guess no one will be motivated to code.

For the love of Pete why don't you just cry me a river. If you depend on the users in this thread or elsewhere for your motivation then I'm guessing you're main job isn't as a programmer.

Good Luck whatever you decide to do.

[EowynCarter]

Originally Posted by dwanthny

. If you depend on the users in this thread or elsewhere for your motivation then I'm guessing you're main job isn't as a programmer.

My main job is as a programmer.
Then it depends if the users here are are in indication of that the overall calibre are thinking. If so, coding this would just be a totally loss of my time.
Why should I care, when Kovid himself don't care enough to get things moving in that direction ? When the people using the application don't give a damm either ?

FWIW, Calibre is written in Python, not C++.

Oh. So, get into python. Might be worse, i don't know python at all.

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

That what I'm doing currently. But, if I have to keep and maintain a clean copy, there is just no point in using a management software, if I still have to do the work.
Worse, I would have to handle synchronizing the external copies. More work, when the point of using a software is making my life easier.

Want me you insult you too ? I can do that.

I really don't get it, calibre is for managing eBooks, that's what it does basically... If you do convert something you do that with the intention of using the converted file on some type of device or software... eBook formats are standardized to such an extent that you can basically use them on every device that supports the format (after conversion with calibre at least, please don't point out singular cases where something is not working and blablabla)... if you convert a file, and it works, why would you have the intention of having the original file in sync with it, you will not use it or you wouldn't have had it converted in the first place... and if you need it again, for reconversion (which is rarely the case outside of initial repeating because you don't like the way the conversion was done before) you can dig it up from your harddrive and do the reconversion...
I think the main problem with your request is simply that you are asking for something (and your general behavior really suggests something more along the lines of "demanding") that is totally NOT the purpose of calibre, and this is no defense or anything, just, calibre is designed for certain purposes in the first place for USERS of ebook reading devices and files who intend to USE books and need tools for putting books to USE (conversion, syncing with devices, etc)... if i am correct, the real life purposes of calibre are totally diametrically opposed to what you are asking for and that is a file manager that also includes all kinds of tools which is, frankly, a totally theoretical situation that has nothing to do with any practical intentions the software suggests and has ever suggested...
In that respect, I can only suggest you look for a totally different program or write it yourself, because, no, for you there is NO way to get calibre useable, because obviously what you would USE it for has nothing to do with the way calibre has been used since the beginning... if there were a class of "calibre" this simply would not contain your purposes and asking for it to change is like asking for an axe to become a steak knife, they have certain similarities but generally using one thing for the other goes along with certain limitations that have to do with certain properties that constitute the respective class... of course, there is the more general class of "bladed" devices as there is the more general class of file managers but derivatives of these are not generally interchangeable in every way... and while this peculiarity is sometimes blurred by the relatively easy expandability of software and yes, you could also modify an axe into a steak knife it would be hard to use it for chopping wood... for calibre, this means (and this is somewhat abstract) that there would be features that do not contribute to its purposes, do not necessarily have to be there, do not contribute in a way that would make the usage of calibre more comfortable and are not simply annoying (like the beeping that comes form cars nowadays when you don't wear a seatbelt) but are annoying because the don't serve any intended purpose at all, which is - reminder - supporting the reading of ebooks and adding extra value to reading devices...
in short, if you define the usage of ebooks differently than "reading" but hoarding and masturbating over how many you got and how neatly you can push them around on your computer in every way imaginable then you really need not be here because that's not what calibre is for...

And yeah, now please insult me multiple times, so this thread can finally be closed and you get banned...

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

And when you edit tags in calibre, how do you get the change to the "clean" copy ?

Calibre isn't leading for me. My own sources are. So, I never edit the tags in Calibre, I edit them in my source, generate the new files (Calibre can't create my PDF's anyway, I made my own application for that), and add them to Calibre and then update the tags. Only data that is not inserted into the metadata do I update in Calibre (mostly custom columns)

[Manichean]

For the love of everything that is right, let this thread die already.

[DoctorOhh]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

And yeah, now please insult me multiple times, so this thread can finally be closed and you get banned...

I am curious, why do you require being insulted multiple times?

I don't see where the OP has come close to doing or saying anything that could get him banned.

Originally Posted by Manichean

For the love of everything that is right, let this thread die already.

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[EowynCarter]

I really don't get it, calibre is for managing eBooks, that's what it does basically... If you do convert something you do that with the intention of using the converted file on some type of device or software... eBook formats are standardized to such an extent that you can basically use them on every device that supports the format

Read, what i've written earlier. Multiple version, not multiple format.
ie version with drm, original version without drm, version with margin edited to adapt to my 5" e-reader screen. Some sometimes a few more.
If the library where customizable, just the way send to device and export to folder is, I could use a custom tag for that. Would not be perfect, but it would work out.

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by EowynCarter

Read, what i've written earlier. Multiple version, not multiple format.
ie version with drm, original version without drm, version with margin edited to adapt to my 5" e-reader screen. Some sometimes a few more.
If the library where customizable, just the way send to device and export to folder is, I could use a custom tag for that. Would not be perfect, but it would work out.

Did you even read what I was writing earlier? calibre begins with your "margin edited to my 5" e-reader screen" file, and while i can create such a file, it does not intend to help you backup your other stuff...

[johnnyb]

Originally Posted by dwanthny

I don't see where the OP has come close to doing or saying anything that could get him banned.

OP was asking if "I too" wanted to be insulted, and yeah, i would if that would stop this annoying nagging ("want something, why am I not treated like a princess", "can i ever use it", which is btw an insult directed at Kovid)...

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by johnnyb

Did you even read what I was writing earlier? calibre begins with your "margin edited to my 5" e-reader screen" file, and while i can create such a file, it does not intend to help you backup your other stuff...

Why is it so difficult to imagine that there are people that want to retain different versions of the same file? And EowynCarter asked if he could tweak Calibre so that he could use Calibre and his system of having different versions of books (or if it were possible for Calibre to be changed so he could).

[EowynCarter]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Why is it so difficult to imagine that there are people that want to retain different versions of the same file? And EowynCarter asked if he could tweak Calibre so that he could use Calibre and his system of having different versions of books (or if it were possible for Calibre to be changed so he could).

Tanks you. Now that's more like it.

This kind of things seam to be too much work for one person. It don't seam the kind of choice one person can make for the rest of the users either.
Maybe it would be time to get everyone ideas on how to change this, find a few developers willing to help, and get things moving. Rather than just wait for a miracle to happen...

[itimpi]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Calibre isn't leading for me. My own sources are. So, I never edit the tags in Calibre, I edit them in my source, generate the new files (Calibre can't create my PDF's anyway, I made my own application for that), and add them to Calibre and then update the tags. Only data that is not inserted into the metadata do I update in Calibre (mostly custom columns)

If you are updating tags outside Calibre, this suggests to me that all you really need Calibre for is it's conversion features? If so, they can be used from the command line without ever loading books into the Calibre library. When used from the command line for this purpose you have explicit control over filenames and file placement.

[Perkin]

So why not create a custom column - series type, with a name of version, then have a new copy of the file in a new entry, with the 'version' column containing the title of as the series and the version number as the series number.

I'm curious, How do you (OP) store your different versions at the moment.
Say just taking the three types as your example, DRM, NonDRM and Edited, how would you store the files for say author:John Doe, with title:The First One, series:The Book List, series_num:01

First off I would leave the DRM'ed files in their original download/store folders.
Then create a folder for DRM removed files (matching directory structure as DRM folder)
Import these (NonDRM) into calibre, with custom column (series type, called editversion)

Whenever you edit a particular entry, just create a duplicate entry with the same metadata, using the entry's title as 'edit_version' (series-name), and updating the 'edit_version' series number to store your revision number.