Kobo future firmware feature request thread - Page 3

digital_steve · 11-17-2010, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Danger

- Dictionary support for ALL books sideloaded or otherwise

... wait, the dictionary only works for certain books?

taming · 11-18-2010, 01:08 AM

It works for the books loaded through sync only--the kePUB books.

digital_steve · 11-18-2010, 01:20 AM

Ouch! What a bugger.

Danger · 11-19-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by digital_steve

Ouch! What a bugger.

Yah, Currently I have to use Dictionary.com for words I don't know like "vituperation". Anne McCaffrey Likes to use some bigs words

PeterT · 11-19-2010, 01:08 PM

Ah thanks

Just had to look that word up

JSWolf · 11-23-2010, 09:00 PM

I am surprised nobody's requested that embedded fonts work.

timlegge · 11-23-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I am surprised nobody's requested that embedded fonts work.

I have not tried it but some say it works

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=19

Tim

JSWolf · 11-23-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by timlegge

I have not tried it but some say it works

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...4&postcount=19

Tim

But, that breaks the way ADE is supposed to handle embedded fonts and the way the publishers do it is not wrong. They have the fonts in a fonts directory that is in the OPS or OEBPS directory. So yes, it is broken and it is a bug. I did bring some books with me on an SD card that have properly embedded fonts and they do not display. This is a serious bug. I even tried Zelda's copy of the ePub of Three Men in a Boat and the fonts failed to display. Just got whatever default font was currently selected.

So if you have to have the fonts in the root of the ePub for it to work, then it's broken and badly broken and heads should roll.

3d0g · 11-23-2010, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But, that breaks the way ADE is supposed to handle embedded fonts and the way the publishers do it is not wrong. They have the fonts in a fonts directory that is in the OPS or OEBPS directory. So yes, it is broken and it is a bug. I did bring some books with me on an SD card that have properly embedded fonts and they do not display. This is a serious bug. I even tried Zelda's copy of the ePub of Three Men in a Boat and the fonts failed to display. Just got whatever default font was currently selected.

So if you have to have the fonts in the root of the ePub for it to work, then it's broken and badly broken and heads should roll.

Embedded fonts must be defined in the OPF manifest and stored in the same place as it. While this is usually the OEBPS folder, it doesn't have to be. I've seen many an EPUB where it's not.

Also, there's no requirement that an eReader support embedded fonts.

Looks like no head rolling for you.

JSWolf · 11-24-2010, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 3d0g

Embedded fonts must be defined in the OPF manifest and stored in the same place as it. While this is usually the OEBPS folder, it doesn't have to be. I've seen many an EPUB where it's not.

Also, there's no requirement that an eReader support embedded fonts.

Looks like no head rolling for you.

Since it is ADE, the fact that embedded fonts do not work properly is a bug and to be a working ADE, embedded fonts HAVE to work. All the ePub I tried are all made properly. The fonts are properly defined and set in the CSS and properly defined in the OPF. One of the ePub I tried you can download from MR. It's Zelda's well made edition of Three Men in a Boat. Try it in ADE for Windows and then try it in the Kobo and you will see that font embedding is broken big time.

So if Kobo is going to use ADE, then they need to fix the font embedding bug. Besides, do you want a substandard ADE in your Kobo? All that will do is drive people to other readers and Kobo will not sell well.

3d0g · 11-24-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Since it is ADE, the fact that embedded fonts do not work properly is a bug and to be a working ADE, embedded fonts HAVE to work.

This is the point you're missing. Adobe's own spec sheets say embedded font support is not REQUIRED. One could obviously see there being hardware limitations to font support on a device. I do agree, it would be nice, and in this instance it very well may be a bug as by some reports it may be possible to finesse the kobo into doing embedded fonts. I'm just simply pointing out that they're NOT a requirement of Adobe.

JSWolf · 11-24-2010, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 3d0g

This is the point you're missing. Adobe's own spec sheets say embedded font support is not REQUIRED. One could obviously see there being hardware limitations to font support on a device. I do agree, it would be nice, and in this instance it very well may be a bug as by some reports it may be possible to finesse the kobo into doing embedded fonts. I'm just simply pointing out that they're NOT a requirement of Adobe.

So where is this spec sheet that says embedded font support is optional?

I don't see any limitations on the Kobo as to embedded fonts. The Sony Reader PRS-500 can do it. And so can the PRS-505. I would think the Kobo being newer with a faster processor should be able to do it as well.

3d0g · 11-24-2010, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

So where is this spec sheet that says embedded font support is optional?

From Section 3.4 of the OPS Spec:

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It is advisable for a Reading System to support the OpenType font format, but this is not a conformance requirement; a reading system may support no embedded font formats at all.

JSWolf · 11-24-2010, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 3d0g

From Section 3.4 of the OPS Spec:

Ok, I see where you are coming from. But we have two different issues here. The issue here is Kobo is using ADE. ADE supports embedded fonts and to be a proper implementation of ADE, it has to support embedded fonts.

And since the Kobo's version of ADE doe not work properly with embedded fonts, it is a bug that needs to be fixed.

3d0g · 11-24-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Ok, I see where you are coming from. But we have two different issues here. The issue here is Kobo is using ADE. ADE supports embedded fonts and to be a proper implementation of ADE, it has to support embedded fonts.

Your turn to site a reference to this "requirement".

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11-18-2010, 01:08 AM	#32
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	It works for the books loaded through sync only--the kePUB books.

11-18-2010, 01:20 AM	#33
digital_steve Muppet Posts: 240 Karma: 442 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Tasmania Device: Kobo Aura HD, Sony PRS-650	Ouch! What a bugger.

11-19-2010, 01:08 PM	#35
PeterT Grand Sorcerer Posts: 13,703 Karma: 79983758 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Device: Libra H2O, Libra Colour	Ah thanks Just had to look that word up

11-23-2010, 09:00 PM	#36
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,817 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I am surprised nobody's requested that embedded fonts work.