The Vent and Rant Thread

[SameOldStory]

Originally Posted by Stitchawl

Bullying has become so widespread these days, and yet nothing seems to be done other than talk, talk, talk! Obviously an adult can't beat the crap out of a 6 year old bully, as much as we might want to. But that adult CAN go to the courts and file a restraining order against him. A restraining order that forbids him to come within 100 yards of your child would effectively keep the bully out of your school. You might need to hire a good lawyer to handle this, but it's worth it in the long run. Bullies don't stop bullying on the own. They need to be isolated.

Stitchawl

I like your idea better than mine.

Print out the first 10 pages of this Google search - bullied to death and give it to ther principal while asking if he knows of a good lawyer. If you have a laser printer I'd print out the first 100 pages.

[Williamlk]

Spoiler:

WOW! Cool! Well, I have to use this to rant..I have not sold a book in a LONG TIME!!!! Almost 2 weeks without a sale in the UK...Ok, I feel better now.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Pookeysgirl

I agree with you 100%. I'm going after the father tomorrow afternoon. I've seen this kid take a fit in class while his father sat there consoling him the whole time. I wouldn't be surprised if the little sociopath has dead squirrels under his bed.

My kids both have enough problems learning in school, they don't need this shit.

Please let us know how it turns out.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by nohmi2

Spoiler:

Like so?

Cheers

You did it!!

[mrscoach]

Years ago I worked at an elementary school. We had a child in the second grade, so about 7ish, that was a complete bully. He loved to choke people because he liked it when they turned purple/red (we just prayed he never discovered they would turn blue next). Yeah, they had him in counseling, but it wasn't helping.

I was one of the playground monitors at lunch and the other monitor and I once 'became busy' with another situation each because two students had had enough of this boy and decided to get a bit of retribution. We didn't let it go for long, just enough for "A" to know what it felt like. No blood was shed, and no more damage than if he had fallen. It didn't work, 'A' still bullied everyone. I'm sure 'A' is in prison or a mental institution by now.

[Pookeysgirl]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Please let us know how it turns out.

I will, thanks for all the feedback.

SOS: I've printed it out and I've left a message for the principal to call me ASAP and I will bring my "evidence" with me.

[mrscoach]

I'm not sure about other places, but the Education Code in Texas has a line in it that 'no one is allowed to interfere with the education of another', or something along those lines. I don't remember exactly how it is phrased, but it means that no student, or adult, has the right by THEIR actions to make it difficult for someone else to learn. This covers disruptions in the classroom as well as things that happen outside the classroom.

Tell the principal that you do not want the boy near your children, and they should never be in the same class together. The boy has a history of bullying and they are allowing the bullying atmosphere to continue and are now contributors to any future problems. If you tell the principal this he will know they will be held liable for any future actions of the student. A lawyer might be needed.

Also point out the unevenness of punishment, such as your son genuinely tripping and then getting into more trouble than the bully who deliberately does things.

You might also insist on a meeting that includes both parents of the bully and the principal. Lay your cards on the table and let them know that from here on out there can be no 'sticking your head in the sand' about this boy's actions, as everyone has been informed, and that you are holding the adults responsible for any future aggression by the student. Criminal charges could be filed in the future if the parents continue to ignore their evil spawns actions, but a paper trail must back up the claim that the parents knew and did nothing.

added: my son faced bullies, too, when he was young. He was so big, though, that sometimes they claimed that Jeff was doing the bullying. That never lasted long upon observation. He was such a sweet child he wouldn't retaliate even when hit and kicked, because he was afraid of hurting anyone. He did, however, take my advice once and punched a kid in the nose, hard, because the kid hit him. This was in junior high and the kid never tried to hurt him again. He (bully) also realized to not mess with the center of the football team because he was the quarterback and my son would give him the ball and step aside for the defense to sack him, if the ticked Jeff off too much. It's called a 'look-out' block, where the lineman yells "look out" and steps aside. LOL

[SameOldStory]

Unfortunately you can't do anything more. The price we pay for unfettered freedom is kids like that growing up to be wife beaters, rapists, child molesters, thugs, and murders.

"Common sense" would say to isolate such kids/people from the general public. But "Common sense" has become illegal.


Another rant along the same lines:

If a kid in school beats you up and calls you a faggot he's punished for a hate crime. But if he keeps his mouth shut he's just a bully.

I want them both to get the same punishment. One to six (for repeat offences) months of detention. And the parent would be required to either pick them up in person or have another (listed) adult pick them up. If it occurs at the end of the school year, detention would be the same while other kids are in "summer school".

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

....

"Common sense" would say to isolate such kids/people from the general public. But "Common sense" has become illegal.


.....

http://www.amazon.com/Death-Common-S.../dp/0446672289

[Pookeysgirl]

Originally Posted by mrscoach

I'm not sure about other places, but the Education Code in Texas has a line in it that 'no one is allowed to interfere with the education of another', or something along those lines. I don't remember exactly how it is phrased, but it means that no student, or adult, has the right by THEIR actions to make it difficult for someone else to learn. This covers disruptions in the classroom as well as things that happen outside the classroom.

Tell the principal that you do not want the boy near your children, and they should never be in the same class together. The boy has a history of bullying and they are allowing the bullying atmosphere to continue and are now contributors to any future problems. If you tell the principal this he will know they will be held liable for any future actions of the student. A lawyer might be needed.

Also point out the unevenness of punishment, such as your son genuinely tripping and then getting into more trouble than the bully who deliberately does things.

You might also insist on a meeting that includes both parents of the bully and the principal. Lay your cards on the table and let them know that from here on out there can be no 'sticking your head in the sand' about this boy's actions, as everyone has been informed, and that you are holding the adults responsible for any future aggression by the student. Criminal charges could be filed in the future if the parents continue to ignore their evil spawns actions, but a paper trail must back up the claim that the parents knew and did nothing.

added: my son faced bullies, too, when he was young. He was so big, though, that sometimes they claimed that Jeff was doing the bullying. That never lasted long upon observation. He was such a sweet child he wouldn't retaliate even when hit and kicked, because he was afraid of hurting anyone. He did, however, take my advice once and punched a kid in the nose, hard, because the kid hit him. This was in junior high and the kid never tried to hurt him again. He (bully) also realized to not mess with the center of the football team because he was the quarterback and my son would give him the ball and step aside for the defense to sack him, if the ticked Jeff off too much. It's called a 'look-out' block, where the lineman yells "look out" and steps aside. LOL

I requested a meeting with the father (the kids mother isn't in the picture) and was denied because they said they weren't allowed to discuss the child's behaviour with other people. What a load of crap. That was when my husband decided to chat man to man with the father, which obviously didn't work.

They've blamed my son for the bullying saying that because he didn't tell on the kid right away, they couldn't do anything about it. She must've thought I was an idiot to say something like that. I thought my husband was going to go through the roof. I stood up so fast I think she thought I was going to hit her. I went on for a good 10 minutes about how my child had already learned the hard way that nothing is being done to help him. But that was last year, and I foolishly thought that the trouble had stopped. I hate to think my son feels like he can't come to me.

When I got that letter about Vince tripping into that boy, I wrote back exactly that. My son TRIPPED for crying out loud. Pardon us for being accident prone.

I'm still waiting for a return phone call from her. I've left 2 messages, so far.

My step-daughter got in trouble at her school for hugging a child (she was 5 at the time). They told her mother next time she would be suspended. Talk about going from one extreme to the other.

[SameOldStory]

As Stitchawl said, get a lawyer and get a restraining order. The school will do something if they face legal action. Nothing else will get them to move on it.

They have made it plain that they either can’t, or will not, do anything on their own. There's no use hoping that they'll see the light.

You might even be surprised, they could want you to take legal action. Sometimes the people on the bottom are prevented from doing the right thing by their bosses. "Do you want to throw away your position, Principal Jones?"

[devilsadvocate]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

soylent green is people

[devilsadvocate]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

here's my rant...

I wish y'all would start your own computer guru lingo thread

Do we have a PC tech support thread? We have 'em for all the readers, but some (like me) use the "original" e-reader, the one with a keyboard and monitor. I'll help out with it if one is started.

Meantime, I can see why many computer issues qualify for Vent & Rant.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

Do we have a PC tech support thread? We have 'em for all the readers, but some (like me) use the "original" e-reader, the one with a keyboard and monitor. I'll help out with it if one is started.

Meantime, I can see why many computer issues qualify for Vent & Rant.

Sorry.....I see no reason to move a legitimate rant.......what is the difference between reading the many accompanying post of a tech thread, and one of dog mistreatment, or bullying?

Nothing.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by Pookeysgirl

This is the first time I've come here to vent/rant.

I have 2 boys (6 & 7, soon to be 7 & 8) and for the last 3 years they've been bullied almost everyday by the same brat at recess and in the after school program. I've been to the principal so many times I can't even count anymore. I thought this year was going pretty smoothly until last night when my 8 year old son comes home and tells me that the brat is at it again! And has been all year. When I asked him why he hasn't said anything, he tells "Because they don't do anything about it".
*SNIP*
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my symbol is a bear, and like a mother bear nothing would unhinge me faster than people interfering with my children, both bilogical and acquired. I almost took the schoolboard apart over shoddy treatment of a Dutch Exchange Student I had.

Originally Posted by Stitchawl

Bullying has become so widespread these days, and yet nothing seems to be done other than talk, talk, talk! Obviously an adult can't beat the crap out of a 6 year old bully, as much as we might want to. But that adult CAN go to the courts and file a restraining order against him. A restraining order that forbids him to come within 100 yards of your child would effectively keep the bully out of your school. You might need to hire a good lawyer to handle this, but it's worth it in the long run. Bullies don't stop bullying on the own. They need to be isolated.

Stitchawl

THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!! you do NOT need an attorney to file a restraining order! it is one of the easiest legal actions a private citizen can perform on their own. the reason is that it is for personal safety, denying that to anyone due to lack of funding. go to whatever municipality in which you reside; city or county, and the clerk of the court will talk you through it. you then have to get a third party, not a family member to serve it on the family involved, an adult, not the child. there is a form that you take back to the court verifying that the people have been served. at that time a hearing is set, for which you also do not need an attorney and the judge determines whether to keep the restraining order active. the initial period of time is rather short, maybe a week prior to the hearing. this should be a wake up call to both the school and hte family involved

Originally Posted by mrscoach

Years ago I worked at an elementary school. We had a child in the second grade, so about 7ish, that was a complete bully. He loved to choke people because he liked it when they turned purple/red (we just prayed he never discovered they would turn blue next). Yeah, they had him in counseling, but it wasn't helping.

*SNIP*.

I am sure some will have a problem with that, but I have to say BRAVA!!!!