The Vent and Rant Thread

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Google Chrome now has an extension capability, but there are still rough edges, and there are no equivalents of some of what I use in Firefox.

A few more comments as background. I'm not knocking Chrome. It's a worthy browser, and if I have to use a machine that only has it, I can deal. Which browser to use is very much a subjective matter. You use the one that you are comfortable with and fits your style. As long as you don't use IE, I don't care.

Why Firefox for me?

Under the hood of all Mozilla products - Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey - is the Gecko rendering engine. Gecko interprets the HTML and CSS and displays the page, and interprets and runs JavaScript embedded in the page. It's probably the most standards-compliant rendering engine, though the other browsers are all implementing standards as fast as they can, including IE.

But Gecko takes it one step further. It also interprets and renders XUL ("zool"), an XML language for creating user interfaces. The actual look and feel of Mozilla products is determined by XUL, and the browser itself is simply an instance of what Gecko is rendering, with JavaScript performing the actions when you click a button or a menu choice.

This makes it possible for developers fluent in XUL, CSS, and JavaScript to create themes that alter how the product looks, and add-ons that change and enhance how it behaves. Developers have, and literally thousands exist.

That extensibility is why I use Firefox and other Mozilla products in the first place. I don't use themes, but an assortment of extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, and Seamonkey have become part of my standard kit, and get installed as part of the process any time I install them.

It's also possible for Gecko to be under the hood on products that aren't browsers, or even from Mozilla. Current examples include the Songbird cross platform media player, and the Komodo programmer's IDE from ActiveState Corp. The longer term plans for Mozilla include breaking out Gecko as a separate runtime called XULRunner, so instead of a copy of Gecko being bundled with each product, you have one, and the individual products are simply instances of things Gecko renders. One possibility is a replacement for Windows Explorer, implemented in XUL, CSS, and JavaScript, and rendered by Gecko. There's no reason it couldn't be done.
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Dennis

[kindlekitten]

here's my rant...

I wish y'all would start your own computer guru lingo thread

[badgoodDeb]

Oh, but hey -- he said "Zool" ..... as I'm a fan of Ghostbusters, that gives him extra points in my book!

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

Oh, but hey -- he said "Zool" ..... as I'm a fan of Ghostbusters, that gives him extra points in my book!

Give the points to the Mozilla devs. They're Ghostbusters fans, too. "Keymaster" and "gatekeeper" are embedded in the code that does this stuff.

("There is only XUL" )
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Dennis

[dsvick]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

here's my rant...

I wish y'all would start your own computer guru lingo thread

As a telecom person you'd get lumped in there as well

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by dsvick

As a telecom person you'd get lumped in there as well

As a sometime telecom person, I will spare the assembled multitude a telecom rant. (Users of Verizon may know some of it without me telling them.)
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Dennis

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by dsvick

As a telecom person you'd get lumped in there as well

I don't start babbling source code, operating system and what not. just ask if there is dial tone or not

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

As a sometime telecom person, I will spare the assembled multitude a telecom rant. (Users of Verizon may know some of it without me telling them.)
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Dennis

don't get me started. just did about 3 hours and who knows how many transfers and re-calls over qwest billing issues

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

here's my rant...

I wish y'all would start your own computer guru lingo thread

Not me..........I learn more reading these comments, and inserting a question here.........

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

don't get me started. just did about 3 hours and who knows how many transfers and re-calls over qwest billing issues

Be grateful it isn't Verizon and T1 lines not working, where the problem is always the local loop they supply, and not on the LD provider's end.

Be grateful it isn't Verizon, period.
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Dennis

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Not me..........I learn more reading these comments, and inserting a question here.........

they can have their own thread and you can visit it ;o) I get tired of weighing through to get to other posts. if I want computer support it can go to another thread and I can deliberately choose it

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Be grateful it isn't Verizon and T1 lines not working, where the problem is always the local loop they supply, and not on the LD provider's end.

Be grateful it isn't Verizon, period.
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Dennis

trust me, as a field tech I've done that MANY times!!! standing in a phone closet, with a telephone test set. the closets are almost always hot, cramped over full, have no where to sit, things are poking you in the back, legs, butt or somewhere else. half the time your cell phone doesn't work and dispatch has been ranting at you because they cannot get in touch with you. yeah, makes for cranky techs

[dsvick]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Be grateful it isn't Verizon and T1 lines not working, where the problem is always the local loop they supply, and not on the LD provider's end.

Be grateful it isn't Verizon, period.
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Dennis

I have a monthly phone conversation with them over our cell phone bill to which I'm pretty sure they just randomly add charges for internet apps we have never downloaded, purchased, or authorized.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

they can have their own thread and you can visit it ;o) I get tired of weighing through to get to other posts. if I want computer support it can go to another thread and I can deliberately choose it

But its a 'rant' thread. The OP's rant was legit....and the replying posts offered helpful suggestions. Thats what its supposed to do.

If you want no responses to rants, it should apply to all....Many rants lead to many other non-ranting posts.

C'mon KK....how long does it take to scan quickly thru a few posts you don't want to read?

[pilotbob]

Originally Posted by desertgrandma

But its a 'rant' thread. The OP's rant was legit....and the replying posts offered helpful suggestions. Thats what its supposed to do.

If you want no responses to rants, it should apply to all....Many rants lead to many other non-ranting posts.

C'mon KK....how long does it take to scan quickly thru a few posts you don't want to read?

She's just ranting that... the ranting isn't ranty enough for her rantyness... or sumpin' like tat....

BOb

[kennyc]

This is a meta-rant! Stop Ranting about Rants!

Eight Down, Seven to go.

[desertgrandma]

Originally Posted by pilotbob

She's just ranting that... the ranting isn't ranty enough for her rantyness... or sumpin' like tat....

BOb