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Old 11-15-2010, 01:02 AM   #16
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"Widespread adoption of asphalt or concrete roads in the United States" doesn't fit the list, though. And they were driven by the equally widespread adoption of automobiles, which took a while.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:14 AM   #17
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Concrete roads are a rarity here. By profession I am a Civil Engineer, I design roads for a living

1870 was about the magic year for the US and Australia. they were designed using the methodology of John Macadam, simply surfacing over the original but reworked gravel surface with bitumen. By definition a paved surface does also include gravels or stone surfaces.

Oh, and to get back on topic. I blame Buffy and Angel for the earliest romanticist notion of Twilight style vampires.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:16 AM   #18
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it's not just young adult vamps, it's adult adult vamps. I would LOVE some good ol' fashioned Anne Rice vamps!
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Old 11-15-2010, 03:49 AM   #19
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Vampires are inert in the daytime.

Vampires do not sparkle.

Vampires drink blood.
You forget "vampires are Chiroptera"
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Old 11-15-2010, 04:03 AM   #20
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I haven't actually read any of the Twilight books myself, but I think the 'craze' for such books is the result of the copycat syndrome. That is a book like Harry Potter or Twilight makes it big in publishing and everyone tries to come up with a similar but different concept to hopefully collect some crumbs from the "big books" wake. You see similar things when a movie comes out too. First the movie is released then the merchandise associated with the movie or its central character is released. Toys, coloring books, lunch boxes etc.

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Every time I go to a bookstore, I notice that about 75% of the books on the Young Adult fantasy shelf are about romantic or "good" vampires. I like vampires, but I don't care for the craze about the "good" ones. I want my vampires to actually bite people and drink blood.

Anyone else tired of this craze?
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:16 AM   #21
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Well if gets the young people reading then I can't really complain, thankfully they are now so prolific that they get there own shelf in book shops so I don't have to browse through them.

I'd recommend 'Twelve' by Jasper Kent for a dose of proper, nasty vampires. There is a follow up too which I've not yet managed to read.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:17 AM   #22
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Anyone else tired of romantic vampires in young adult fiction?
No. I am not.
I usually don't read those genres and I have not been to book store for ages.
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Old 11-15-2010, 05:18 AM   #23
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it's not just young adult vamps, it's adult adult vamps. I would LOVE some good ol' fashioned Anne Rice vamps!
I loved the first 3 books!
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Old 11-15-2010, 06:00 AM   #24
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Not at all tired of them because I never read one.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:19 AM   #25
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Woldwalker, why he falls for her was the first and worst of several cognitive dissonances in that series. When I asked the several people who recommended it, all women if it matters, they seem to accept Edward swooning over Bella because it is love. And love conquers all, yadda yadda. Clearly I missed that train... Oh, I enjoyed the series well enough (say 3 of 5 stars) but I never found Bella to be attractive myself. Too indecisive (the Jacob vs Edward drama made me yell at the book). Perhaps that's fine for YA heroines, so some readers identify with her.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:24 AM   #26
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:26 AM   #27
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One of the things I liked with twilight was the "vampire revisited" aspect.

Then, when you use the same thing all over again, it lost its charms.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:11 PM   #28
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Maybe some Twilight fan can explain this to me:

Why is a century-old vampire posing as a high school student, and why does he fall in love with a teenager?
There are some interesting conversations about Edward’s abusive and controlling nature as well. Apparently he hits all 15 signs of a dangerous relationship. Seriously if you found out a grown man was watching you sleep at night, all night, for two weeks would you say “Oh, so sweet.” Or would you nod slowly and reach for the phone to call the police. That being said, teenagers are unrealistic both about the limits of love and why those limits are healthy. Myers does the same thing with the werewolves, this love that transcends age and previous conflict. Love and marriage are heavily sanctified in the Mormon Religion so perhaps this is a natural result of blending Vampires with Mormon theology?

On an adult note I found the Laurell K. Hamilton’s Anita Blake books unrealistic as well with regards to fidelity. The later ones where Anita has a huge harem of men following her around who are all straight and yet don’t mind being naked in a room with a bunch of other guys and forsake all other relationships for the honor of sharing her with the Seventh Fleet. Of course that’s more porn than anything else at this point and not even good porn at that.
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Old 11-15-2010, 01:22 PM   #29
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I'm tired of vampires... period. The oh-so-obvious theme of the good and vulnerable human trying to use love to "save" the vampire, essentially an immortal serial killer, was passe decades ago.

Can we please move on to robots, or ghosts, or something?
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There are some interesting conversations about Edward’s abusive and controlling nature as well. Apparently he hits all 15 signs of a dangerous relationship. Seriously if you found out a grown man was watching you sleep at night, all night, for two weeks would you say “Oh, so sweet.” Or would you nod slowly and reach for the phone to call the police.
A Man, yes. A Vampire, no.
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