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Uh what? They sign official contracts and pay royalties to the authors for the purchased (and even viewed onlile) books. How is that criminal?!
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Re: criminal behavior, I was referring to this bit:
When you say LitRes "owns" pirate libraries, what exactly do you mean? If the content being scanned is protected by copyright, what these volunteers are doing is against the law. (Am I misunderstanding this?) |
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Wait, lemme be more specific: if the content being scanned is protected by copyright, and the scanning is being done without consent from the copyright holders, then what these volunteers are doing is against the law.
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Well I believe that was the original concept for DRM. So that people can't just simply post their electronic file online for anyone to grab and use for free.
Maybe I should've worded it better, I don't agree that DRM the way it is now is the solution since it's too restrictive but I believe it is important to deal with the problem DRM was developed to solve. That something is needed to prevent people from excessively sharing things like music and ebooks. Last edited by MerLock; 11-29-2007 at 04:53 PM. |
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Consider for a moment: what meaning to duty, honor, etc. have outside of a sociological group? Honor to a large extent is defined, or at least refined by the views of a group. To whom is Duty owed but to the group to which one feels the sense of it? The thing is that Duty, Honor, and Doing The Right Thing aren't really remarkable concepts until the group begins to stop observing them. The difference is that the person who answers Duty's call, feels the promptings of Honor and seeks to Do The Right Thing, recognizes that he is part of a larger society than just those people he happens to actually know. That being said, and recognizing your point that Baen has made remarkable strides to make its customers feel as though Baen is "their" publisher (in the sense that they feel like they're part of what it does), I don't know if the anonymity/lack thereof is really a factor here. It would be very interesting to know how many of the folks who buy Baen's e-books actually participate in the Baen's Bar. ![]() |
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I remember a time when the music industry considered it a win any time they got someone to hear their offerings, because, generally speaking, when folks hear music and like it, they tend to seek it out. Now they seem to have switched focus to wanting to make sure they get payed before anyone hears so much as a note. Imagine Name That Tune under present music industry views! Contestant: "I can name that tune in four notes!" Host: "Okay, but it'll still cost you 99¢ to hear those four notes ... for each of the 100 audience members, myself, your fellow contestants, the crew, oh, and don't forget the 80 million folks tuned in to watch -- " Contestant: "Forget it! I can't even afford to play if I win -- first prize is only $20 Million!" ![]() |
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This was all before the Google digitization project, though - I think they may have bigger fish to fry now. I think this points at why most of us are leery of DRM, though - in the publishers' perfect world, readers would pay each time they read a copy of a book. There are also the arguments that many others are making, about DRM being no barrier to pirates, and being a hassle to legitimate fans. I point everyone interested in the argument to this thread, where we discussed this at length. I still believe DRM and the business model it represents is doomed in the long term. |
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I believe that if authors were more concerned with the actual money they made from their writing than in the "potential" money they lost through piracy, and therefore refused to use DRM and did use multi-formats, that they would end up making more money. Now with a DRMed book they so restrict their market that they lose potential buyers because those buyers don't buy.
That's one of the main premises of Baen and why they make money the way they do business. The, "Don't treat your customers like thieves." argument is IMHO rather inconsequential in comparison with the increase in "actual" money gained through sells to a much larger market. Bottom line is; authors, writers, publishers, etc. do not lose actual money due to piracy. They only lose potential money, i.e. money that they never really had and you cannot lose that which you don't have. |
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Yes, this scanning might be against the letter of the law, but the right holders don't seem to mind. (And if they do, any book is taken down in hours on request.) One writer was actually pretty angry when he discovered all his books gone from free access (his publisher signed the contract behind his back). As Eric Flint says so eloquently, the main "enemy" of the writer is not piracy, but obscurity. Really, I wish everyone arguing for DRM here would read his articles, he addresses about every point raised here. |
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Let me get this straight: this site is scanning existing works and selling them without notifying or compensating the original publishers or authors unless they notice? Can you explain how this is ethical, given that you already admit it's illegal? This type of site is what DRM proponents are most afraid of. |
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