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I haven't read all the posts so this may have been mentioned, but according to a video clip of the author I saw on TV, only one copy of the "book" (if you can call a 35 kilobyte file a book) was sold. If that is accurate, that one copy went to this guy:
http://iasshole.org/?p=2138 (Link found via yesterday's Boingboing story.) |
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If only we could work up this kind of outrage to stop children starving in Africa and other nations. To stop the mutilation of women's genitals due to 'female circumcision', to prevent deaths due to aids....to provide for the aged and veterans living on our streets..........
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PS: To those of you who are upset because Amazon pulled it? Would you hire the men who purchased this book to babysit your child, niece, nephew or grandchildren????? Marie Last edited by tiniree; 11-11-2010 at 04:37 PM. |
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see the news article links I posted earlier in the thread or just google. It's everywhere. |
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It might have been KennyC who made the point earlier - there is a world of difference between perpetrating an act and writing or reading a book about it. No one has ever been hurt by the Anarchist Cookbook - there are some criminal people or insane people who might use the Anarchist Cookbook to make a device to hurt someone. Deal with the criminals and insane people - the book didn't do it.
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If we were to focus this outrage against the REAL problems plaguing the world we would be much better off. Last edited by kennyc; 11-11-2010 at 04:44 PM. |
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That said, although I think it ought to be immediately obvious to everyone that I find the content of this guy's book abhorrent, I nonetheless would absolutely defend his right to publish it. In the marketplace of ideas, the answer to hateful or abhorrent ideas isn't to ban the offending speech. Discuss the issues, sure. Raise countervailing arguments, absolutely. Counter "bad speech" with "good speech", you bet. But banning the "bad speech" is inimical to a free society, because once you draw the "bad speech" line where YOU want it, you're vulnerable to other people moving that line to where THEY want it. And, for the record, I'd feel the same way even if the man who raped me had been READING this guy's book at the time. Because the reality is, the idea that pedophilia is okay is already widely expressed in places far beyond this book (in other books, message boards, chat rooms for pedophiles, etc.) That's the problem with ideas - once they're out of the bottle, you can't stuff them back in. Banning this book does nothing to eradicate the idea that pedophilia is okay, because eradicating an idea is impossible. All you can do by banning a book with which you strongly disagree is make it okay for other people to ban other books with which they disagree. And banning this book doesn't make children one whit safer. Pedophiles existed, and abused children, long before this book existed, and they'll be around long after this book fades from the news. If you want to truly help the vulnerable, don't waste your air advocating to ban this book. Go volunteer with your local rape crisis center. Make quilts for kids in the foster care system. Or write a book shining a light on the real problem of sexual abuse of children, like this person did. |
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OK, but here's the thing. I would absolutely agree that children need to be protected from sexual abuse by pedophiles. I doubt you'd get much disagreement there, at least among the members of this board. But, the piece you've left out of your analysis is how banning this book will actually make children any safer.
Do you honestly think there are people out there who feel like they might want to have sex with a child, who say to themselves, "Hmm, I wonder if I can find a book about having sex with children…nope, I didn't find this one book, so never mind."? Do you really, truly, believe that? Do you seriously think this is the only piece of information out there that advocates sex with children? Do you honestly think that, in the absence of THIS SPECIFIC book, the pedophile will simply give up, instead of looking elsewhere to validate his feelings? For that matter, do you honestly think most pedophiles look for external validation in a society that almost universally condemns them? They abuse children despite a vocal and consistent message that their behavior is immoral and criminal. So, I guess my question is this: Assuming that you're absolutely correct that children need to be protected from pedophiles, how is banning this book going to do that? |
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Back to "don't blame the book, blame the offender." The book doesn't make the act or aftermath worse. The offender does. Or are you suggesting victims might read this book? If so, I already agreed it should be placed in adults-only section.
Also, "Would you hire the men who purchased this book to babysit your child, niece, nephew or grandchildren?????" No, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Do you imagine that by pulling this book from the shelves you have somehow reduced the worldwide number of pedophiles? If so, we disagree. I am frightened by some of the "book bans are okay" attitudes here but I should not be surprised. The same attitudes do support our TSA's 'security theater' in airports, the Patriot Act (parts of it are objectionable, not all of it), and other erosions of our rights. |
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It's no wonder people sit on their arse and do nothing. Why vote unless I'm voting to change all the bad stuff in the world. Why stop and give a dollar to a homeless person when I can't feed Ethiopia. Why must it be all or nothing. I can't save the world. Here is what I can do. When I see something that I believe to be an offense to humanity I will get angry because it is human nature to preserve what we believe to be valuable. I'll put my anger to good use by discussing the situation so I have a clear understanding of the situation, what can or cannot be done to resolve the situation, and to find support, spread the news, and gather support for any proposed action. Then I will take action. If I have decided the best course of action is petitioning then thats what I will do. If it's offering support to affected people then that's what I will do. I am so glad I fought this and I'd do it again in a heart beat. |
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I think, for me, what is all boils down to is this: We have a lot of crap going on in this world, that is going on because someone, somewhere said they were being persecuted, just so they could continue with the crap. I am tired of these "bottom dwellers" using the laws in such a way that allows them to continue with practices that no descent human should have to deal with. And to those of you who think that everyone, everywhere should be allowed to do whatever, whenever:
Poor baby! Deal with it! There are just some things that SHOULD NOT BE DONE!!!! Last edited by tiniree; 11-11-2010 at 05:19 PM. |
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