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Old 11-27-2007, 04:43 PM   #46
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Is a paper book without DRM? I cannot copy it nor can I mass-redistribute it. About the only thing I can do is give it away/lend it (which is a relatively small distribution list).

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Actually you forgot the most important thing you can do with it: read it again and again for many years without being tied to any particular piece of equipment other than what came with us in the world. Personally I am not interested in copying my e-books outside of prudent backups and availability of any device of my choosing, but I am definitely interested in being able to read and reread my books at will.

With drm books you definitely cannot do that (and wait until Sony or Amazon or Mobi either close down their store a la Google or decide to do an upgrade of the drm system a la Adobe/Microsoft/MLB and people will not be able to read the corresponding books...)
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:17 PM   #47
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The paper book lacks the DRM that prevents me from:

editing the pbook by removing pages,
editing the pbook by writing in the margin,
making photocopies (in situations covered by fair use),
sharing the pbook with a friend.

Yes, the pbook lacks DRM.

I don't think they are worried about you photocopying harry potter and distributing it
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Old 11-27-2007, 05:26 PM   #48
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Actually you forgot the most important thing you can do with it: read it again and again for many years without being tied to any particular piece of equipment other than what came with us in the world.
I don't think ebooks are heirlooms. Ill just re-buy it for 99 cents.



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Old 11-27-2007, 06:36 PM   #49
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I don't think ebooks are heirlooms. Ill just re-buy it for 99 cents.

What about birthday presents? Graduation presents? What about the book your kid wants to read every day? What about the book that you read every day when you were a kid?
What about poetry? Cookbooks? Coffee-table books? Puzzle books? Reference? Science?
I have books that where formative for me. You don't have any books on your shelf that you like to come back to, or point others to?

Are all books classified as throw-away?

My books are for safekeeping, why shouldn't my e-books be?
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Old 11-27-2007, 07:43 PM   #50
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I don't think ebooks are heirlooms. Ill just re-buy it for 99 cents.



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Where can you buy an e-book for 99c?? Were e-books to be 99c I would not mind treating them as disposable.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:09 PM   #51
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Umm, stop me if I'm wrong, but I think we're being trolled... Perhaps MobileRead's new Kindle popularity comes with some downsides.

At least on here, a troll results in some intelligent discussion. ;-)
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:18 PM   #52
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Umm, stop me if I'm wrong, but I think we're being trolled... Perhaps MobileRead's new Kindle popularity comes with some downsides.

At least on here, a troll results in some intelligent discussion. ;-)
I think you might be right, but not because of this topic. Look at the other thread he started.
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Old 11-27-2007, 08:55 PM   #53
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I've actually purchased some ebooks because I already had them as pbooks and wanted the ease of having them in a portable format. I'm more likely to purchase the pbook of an especially good non-fiction ebook than fiction. I don't think I've ever gone out and purchased a fiction pbook after buying the same fiction ebook.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:04 PM   #54
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I don't think they are worried about you photocopying harry potter and distributing it
DRM won't stop Harry Potter from that. It's already available all over the shadier areas of the net along with lots of books I'd love to be able to be able to give publishers my money for if they'd put official ebook copies out.
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Old 11-27-2007, 09:21 PM   #55
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I've actually purchased some ebooks because I already had them as pbooks and wanted the ease of having them in a portable format.
Me too, as well as scanning some pbooks.
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Old 11-28-2007, 07:38 AM   #56
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I just came across this article on ARS Technica that discusses the topic of Google's book scanning project and copyrights. They even mention the Sony and Amazon's readers!

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...ning-deal.html




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Old 11-28-2007, 07:52 AM   #57
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DRM won't stop Harry Potter from that. It's already available all over the shadier areas of the net along with lots of books I'd love to be able to be able to give publishers my money for if they'd put official ebook copies out.
thats not the point... a book is inherently difficult to mass copy and distribute. Its not like hiding a camcorder into a movie theater

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Old 11-28-2007, 07:54 AM   #58
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Where can you buy an e-book for 99c?? Were e-books to be 99c I would not mind treating them as disposable.

They have books on amazon kindle now for 0.99. Im sure you will be able to find them 5 years from now

What is it with the anti drm crowd. As Ive said before, they (authors, publishers) have something I want, therefore I intend to buy it (DRM or otherwise)

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Old 11-28-2007, 08:18 AM   #59
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What is it with the anti drm crowd. As Ive said before, they (authors, publishers) have something I want, therefore I intend to buy it (DRM or otherwise)
Because, as geeks, we have experienced the mishaps, failures, and downright nastiness that has occurred in the past, all in the name of protecting digital rights.
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You must not know many authors. If you did, you'd realize that except for a few big-name authors, *MOST* don't earn enough to qualify better than middle-class. And once again, I have to point out that this is because so *MUCH* of each book's price goes to the retailer and the publisher. It ain't DRM that causes this, it's the megapublisher!
Yeah, take Philip K. Dick, for example. The man made a top income of $15 K one year.....
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