The Vent and Rant Thread - Page 862

kennyc · 11-10-2010, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

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as much as I defend and agree with free speech, there are times when it is more appropriate to walk away. this would be one of them IMHO

As I've said I agree. There is a matter of doing what is right on the part of Amazon (as well as the writer). This whole thing is very disgusting.

kindlekitten · 11-10-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

As I've said I agree. There is a matter of doing what is right on the part of Amazon (as well as the writer). This whole thing is very disguising.

disgusting even?

bjones6416 · 11-10-2010, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Actually it is a freedom of speech issue. People here are mixing up the "talking about it" with the "doing it"

Now I don't necessarily agree that either one is right, but we do live in a society that guarantees freedom of speech.

I know I said I try to stay away from hot topics -- give me the unicorns and rainbows and all that -- but this one disturbs me on so many levels. If this is "freedom of speech," would Amazon sell a "how-to" book on the best way to kill a cop or assassinate (sp?) a President? I'm not talking about a novel with those subjects -- I'm talking about a NONFICTION book giving specific hints on how to best do those things. And that's a serious question -- would they?

recluse · 11-10-2010, 01:14 PM

And still not a freedom of speech issue.

If a child molestor is talking, it is acting on what it talks about.

And freedom of speech is a right reserved for humans.
Child molestors are not human.
Defending their right to diseminate their filth is reprehensible.

devilsadvocate · 11-10-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

Actually it is a freedom of speech issue. People here are mixing up the "talking about it" with the "doing it"

Now I don't necessarily agree that either one is right, but we do live in a society that guarantees freedom of speech.

Tell that to the FCC. They seem to be more concerned with content-policing than actually watching the gauges their office was formed to watch in the first place.

dsvick · 11-10-2010, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

DG, your anger is righteous and justifiable. but please, don't take it out on us

. we are not the ones endorsing or encouraging this publication

Yes, please don't. I think that everyone here is as repulsed by this as you are. Some people are pointing out that the author had every right to write the book, but that Amazon was under no obligation, except the dollar signs in their eyes, to publish it.

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

I don't see how you can be remotely ok with this. the dog was in a yard. another dog was there and not upset. there were children in the home, the police didn't even warn them to not be close to the windows until AFTER the shooting. I think this was a sausage fest gone out of control. BillyBob tased her and she didn't go down. immediate testosterone flare up, break out the big guns

I'm not. Not at all, I think it was handled incredibly poorly and that the dog was killed for no reason, when it could easily have been saved. Reading the article I got the distinct impression that it was a case of the cops not having a clue how to handle the dog or the situation, and even a fair amount of fear induced testosterone.

I'm simply saying that, until we know the entire story we can't make any 100% statements about what happened leading up to the stupidity.

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

as much as I defend and agree with free speech, there are times when it is more appropriate to walk away. this would be one of them IMHO

Free speech is one thing - poor judgment is another, and both the author and Amazon exhibited extremely poor judgment!!

kindlekitten · 11-10-2010, 01:25 PM

Amazon is actively and buisily deleting negative comments on that page. when I first viewed it there were four pages of comments, now there are two.

freedoms when they are convenient I suppose

TallNHairyDave · 11-10-2010, 01:52 PM

Amazon uk customer service phone number is 0800 496 1081

The lass who took my call hadn't heard about this yet and there was an audible gasp of shock from her when she looked it up after I gave her the item number for her to look up the ebook. I was polite throughout and so was she and seemed understanding about my being upset by the book.

I pointed out that I wouldn't be doing Xmas shopping from amazon while that was up for sale as while there is freedom of speech that's taking it way too far...

Finished off with her asking if she could record the call and send it to the kindle team so they could hear some customer feedback (as I didn't have my amazon login handy to login and send feedback as she asked me to do), and I gave her my permission for her to do so.

I doubt my call will make a blind bit of difference, but I figured I'd post the uk customer service number here so other uk members can give them a call like I did if they want to.

Dave

devilsadvocate · 11-10-2010, 02:21 PM

Okay...stop me if you've heard this one...

How about boycotting Amazon?

Hear me out on this:

The agency-pricing thing didn't work out. Too much money involved. Amazon is huge, so it's definitely a Davey-and-Goliath thing. But once it gets in the press that Amazon is carrying this thing, it won't be hard to get some heavy artillery mobilized and help Amazon see the error of their ways; when you're talking about something like this, it's not just a few disgruntled ebook customers anymore.

We know it's about money. They know it's about money. As long as Amazon thinks they stand to lose more than they gain from this, we can make the right thing happen. Ask Shel, I'm by no means an optimist or a pipe-dreamer, but I do think it's feasible.

ShortNCuddlyAm · 11-10-2010, 02:45 PM

I suspect it's worth letting Amazon know you're boycotting them, and why, as well - the yeti (aka TallNHairyDave) has put the UK number up. And also let others know what you're doing and why.

The internet makes it easy for people to publish stuff like this, but it also makes it easy for people to find out about it, disseminate that information and take action.

phenomshel · 11-10-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

I suspect it's worth letting Amazon know you're boycotting them, and why, as well - the yeti (aka TallNHairyDave) has put the UK number up. And also let others know what you're doing and why.

The internet makes it easy for people to publish stuff like this, but it also makes it easy for people to find out about it, disseminate that information and take action.

What Am said

kindlekitten · 11-10-2010, 03:03 PM

interesting reviews popping up on the site;

10 of 71 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars This is the single best book ever written, November 10, 2010
By Arkadia - See all my reviewsThis review is from: The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure (Kindle Edition)
if for no other reason than the horde of frothy-mouthed crusaders shouting for its utter annihilation. The subject matter is all but irrelevant, as I'm sure the very same people decrying someone willing to write outside of their moral comfort zone would be completely aghast at someone saying the same thing about a devout Christian book.

Stop calling the author a monster, and stop threatening to shop elsewhere. The posturing serves no one, and the ad hominem doesn't either. And the louder you shout about your morals, the more inclined I am to believe you're a hypocrite.

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3 of 53 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A fantastic guide, November 10, 2010
By Jack Marshall - See all my reviewsThis review is from: The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure (Kindle Edition)
I can't thank Amazon enough for keeping this great work of literature up for those of us with "special tastes." The instructions and images in the guide were extremely insightful and led to a wonderful experience for both myself and my partner. Thank you for protecting free speech, Amazon! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
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dsvick · 11-10-2010, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kindlekitten

interesting reviews popping up on the site;

10 of 71 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars This is the single best book ever written, November 10, 2010
By Arkadia - See all my reviewsThis review is from: The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure (Kindle Edition)
if for no other reason than the horde of frothy-mouthed crusaders shouting for its utter annihilation. The subject matter is all but irrelevant, as I'm sure the very same people decrying someone willing to write outside of their moral comfort zone would be completely aghast at someone saying the same thing about a devout Christian book.

Stop calling the author a monster, and stop threatening to shop elsewhere. The posturing serves no one, and the ad hominem doesn't either. And the louder you shout about your morals, the more inclined I am to believe you're a hypocrite.

And have a nice day everyone! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
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3 of 53 people found the following review helpful:
5.0 out of 5 stars A fantastic guide, November 10, 2010
By Jack Marshall - See all my reviewsThis review is from: The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure (Kindle Edition)
I can't thank Amazon enough for keeping this great work of literature up for those of us with "special tastes." The instructions and images in the guide were extremely insightful and led to a wonderful experience for both myself and my partner. Thank you for protecting free speech, Amazon! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews
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I saw both of those a while ago, the first one I dismissed as a troll, the second one made me sick. I'm pretty sure I'm done with Amazon for the foreseeable future, and I've let them know that as well.

pilotbob · 11-10-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by devilsadvocate

How about boycotting Amazon?

Boycotts don't work. All they do, if anything is bring attention to the subject of the boycott, which is the exact opposite of what you were hoping for. Remember, there is not such thing as bad publicity.

BOb

kindlekitten · 11-10-2010, 03:35 PM

back to the Newfie incident; there is a message board where the story is posted. this appears to be more information from the second link. like I said, it appears to be an unbridled testosterone laden sausage fest;

As the witness to this event I will also say that Rosie never moved from her original position, they shot her exactly where she stood peering at me through the bushes. The officers were shooting at a still target in a fully fenced off yard. If I would have known that they were going to gun her down I would have stopped them. They should have told me.I would have let her stay in the yard for as long as needed. I also forgot to mention the officer chuckling as he explained to me that "they had never had one this big before". Not ever considering the danger and sadness they put upon my family. It makes me sick to my stomach to think this happened in our community.

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11-10-2010, 01:14 PM	#12919
recluse Banned Posts: 3,724 Karma: 535488 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: the Mortuary Device: Kindle 2	And still not a freedom of speech issue. If a child molestor is talking, it is acting on what it talks about. And freedom of speech is a right reserved for humans. Child molestors are not human. Defending their right to diseminate their filth is reprehensible.

11-10-2010, 01:25 PM	#12922
kindlekitten Professional Adventuress Posts: 13,368 Karma: 50260224 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Olympic Peninsula on the OTHER Washington! (the big green clean one on the west coast!) Device: Kindle, the original! Times Two! and gifting an International Kindle	Amazon is actively and buisily deleting negative comments on that page. when I first viewed it there were four pages of comments, now there are two. freedoms when they are convenient I suppose

11-10-2010, 01:52 PM	#12923
TallNHairyDave The Yeti Posts: 82 Karma: 3502 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Mitcham Device: iPhone 3gs	Amazon uk customer service phone number is 0800 496 1081 The lass who took my call hadn't heard about this yet and there was an audible gasp of shock from her when she looked it up after I gave her the item number for her to look up the ebook. I was polite throughout and so was she and seemed understanding about my being upset by the book. I pointed out that I wouldn't be doing Xmas shopping from amazon while that was up for sale as while there is freedom of speech that's taking it way too far... Finished off with her asking if she could record the call and send it to the kindle team so they could hear some customer feedback (as I didn't have my amazon login handy to login and send feedback as she asked me to do), and I gave her my permission for her to do so. I doubt my call will make a blind bit of difference, but I figured I'd post the uk customer service number here so other uk members can give them a call like I did if they want to. Dave

11-10-2010, 02:21 PM	#12924
devilsadvocate Complicated Warlock Posts: 677 Karma: 160970 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Madiganistan Device: HP Mini 1101, Droid X rooted, GTab rooted/VEGAnTAB Ginger Edition/CM7	Okay...stop me if you've heard this one... How about boycotting Amazon? Hear me out on this: The agency-pricing thing didn't work out. Too much money involved. Amazon is huge, so it's definitely a Davey-and-Goliath thing. But once it gets in the press that Amazon is carrying this thing, it won't be hard to get some heavy artillery mobilized and help Amazon see the error of their ways; when you're talking about something like this, it's not just a few disgruntled ebook customers anymore. We know it's about money. They know it's about money. As long as Amazon thinks they stand to lose more than they gain from this, we can make the right thing happen. Ask Shel, I'm by no means an optimist or a pipe-dreamer, but I do think it's feasible.

11-10-2010, 02:45 PM	#12925
ShortNCuddlyAm WWHALD Posts: 7,879 Karma: 337114 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Mitcham, Surrey, UK Device: iPad. Selling my silver 505 here	I suspect it's worth letting Amazon know you're boycotting them, and why, as well - the yeti (aka TallNHairyDave) has put the UK number up. And also let others know what you're doing and why. The internet makes it easy for people to publish stuff like this, but it also makes it easy for people to find out about it, disseminate that information and take action.

11-10-2010, 03:03 PM	#12927
kindlekitten Professional Adventuress Posts: 13,368 Karma: 50260224 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Olympic Peninsula on the OTHER Washington! (the big green clean one on the west coast!) Device: Kindle, the original! Times Two! and gifting an International Kindle	interesting reviews popping up on the site; 10 of 71 people found the following review helpful: 5.0 out of 5 stars This is the single best book ever written, November 10, 2010 By Arkadia - See all my reviewsThis review is from: The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure (Kindle Edition) if for no other reason than the horde of frothy-mouthed crusaders shouting for its utter annihilation. The subject matter is all but irrelevant, as I'm sure the very same people decrying someone willing to write outside of their moral comfort zone would be completely aghast at someone saying the same thing about a devout Christian book. Stop calling the author a monster, and stop threatening to shop elsewhere. The posturing serves no one, and the ad hominem doesn't either. And the louder you shout about your morals, the more inclined I am to believe you're a hypocrite. And have a nice day everyone! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews Was this review helpful to you? Yes No Report abuse \| Permalink Comment Comments (26) 3 of 53 people found the following review helpful: 5.0 out of 5 stars A fantastic guide, November 10, 2010 By Jack Marshall - See all my reviewsThis review is from: The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure (Kindle Edition) I can't thank Amazon enough for keeping this great work of literature up for those of us with "special tastes." The instructions and images in the guide were extremely insightful and led to a wonderful experience for both myself and my partner. Thank you for protecting free speech, Amazon! Help other customers find the most helpful reviews Was this review helpful to you? Yes No Report abuse \| Permalink Comment Comments (23)

11-10-2010, 03:35 PM	#12930
kindlekitten Professional Adventuress Posts: 13,368 Karma: 50260224 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: The Olympic Peninsula on the OTHER Washington! (the big green clean one on the west coast!) Device: Kindle, the original! Times Two! and gifting an International Kindle	back to the Newfie incident; there is a message board where the story is posted. this appears to be more information from the second link. like I said, it appears to be an unbridled testosterone laden sausage fest; As the witness to this event I will also say that Rosie never moved from her original position, they shot her exactly where she stood peering at me through the bushes. The officers were shooting at a still target in a fully fenced off yard. If I would have known that they were going to gun her down I would have stopped them. They should have told me.I would have let her stay in the yard for as long as needed. I also forgot to mention the officer chuckling as he explained to me that "they had never had one this big before". Not ever considering the danger and sadness they put upon my family. It makes me sick to my stomach to think this happened in our community.