LCD vs. e-ink

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by Maggie Leung

Yup, I saw / see other sigs fine. Dunno which I don't see, of course. I didn't see radleyp's. I still don't see a sig for him / her, though I now see his / her device list on the left. As I understand it, a sig is some kinda personalized image or quote. Dunno whether that's accurate.

And I had a brain fart: my signature isn't an actual board signature: it's embedded as message text. I don't use an actual board signature, so you should see it.

Like I said, I think you're using a MobileRead theme intended for mobile devices that drops board signatures to save space.
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Dennis[/QUOTE]


This is weird, Dennis. It looks as if my post somehow got merged with yours. Not sure why you're able to edit a post under my logon.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by astra

Personal preference?
Someone likes red, someone likes blue.
If you like red and get pissed off that someone else dismisses beauty of red colour and likes blue....you have got a problem. Intolerance? Anger management?

I, personally, don't care one bit whether someone likes to read off of LCD.
I just dismiss any LCD screen based gadget as potential ebook reader. It is my opinion.
A friend of mine said once that he will never pay more £100 for ebook reader. He believed it was not worth more. At the same time I paid £250 for PRS-500 and £220 for PRS-505. Utter disrespect to ebook readers and eInk technology! He was reading off of his palm/laptop/mobile phone. Should I have challenged him to a duel?

I think the distinction is between dismissing a product for your individual use vs. dismissing people who prefer LCD as not serious readers. I think the first makes sense, while the later is illogical. My opinion, of course, lol.

And I mention this because of many such posts on e-reading forums, not yours specifically.

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by Maggie Leung

This is weird, Dennis. It looks as if my post somehow got merged with yours. Not sure why you're able to edit a post under my logon.

I may have had dual brain farts.

My username in green over my avatar indicates I'm a moderator. As such, I have the power to edit posts other than my own. I seldom wear the moderator hat, and the few times I've deliberately edited someone else's post have been to remove links to illegal content.

But if you're a moderator, and you click the Edit button instead of the Quote button when replying to someone, and you get distracted and don't realize what you did, well, excrement occurs.

Apologies, and mea culpa.
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Dennis

[lack]

Originally Posted by astra

Personal preference?
Someone likes red, someone likes blue.
If you like red and get pissed off that someone else dismisses beauty of red colour and likes blue....you have got a problem. Intolerance? Anger management?

That is exactly my point. Looks like we have different nuances of the word "dismiss". I might have lowered the tension I was meaning to say, as I mean "dismissively, often condescendingly, rejects something". I myself prefer e-ink and not dismiss the idea that an lcd device can be a proper reading device, but even if I do not believe it, I would not attack others who do. I also believe in personal preferences, as you do, but I can't stand those I described above, who degrade others for being against their beliefs.

Originally Posted by astra

I, personally, don't care one bit whether someone likes to read off of LCD.
I just dismiss any LCD screen based gadget as potential ebook reader. It is my opinion.

It is your opinion, and I honored it.

Other things aside, as a reply to the OP, I myself prefer an e-ink reader, the reason being:

1. I want to be able to read outdoors
2. I hate charging and absolutely hates charging everyday (yes I hate my cellphone).
3. I have problems with READING in extended time on LCD monitor (not in other uses, strangely)

All of these things might change as someone else has posted before, LCD haven't been developed to suit reading, and if the market is big enough it can compensate for the development resources needed, so I am not dismissing an LCD as a proper reading device, at least in the near future.

other reason that is not actually tied to e-ink vs lcd, but specialized device vs convergence device. I am an easily distracted person, and so I wish for a reading device which does the job and the job only, plus maybe anything directly connected to the act of reading. Put a little thing like a file explorer in it and there I go rearranging my ebooks and stuff.. So I want nothing in between me and my (e)books.
I believe I am not the only one like that, although some people might say it is a backward move...

[Sil_liS]

I thought of another reason why people might want to argue over what makes a device an ereader: location in stores. I mean even if most prefer to buy online, some like to see how the device works before they buy it. Today the ereader section has only E-ink. Tomorrow...

[GlenBarrington]

I read equally well on both. I started out reading on my Palm devices and read for long periods of time.

But I think I prefer, slightly, eInk. It does seem a bit easier on my eyes though it may be the difference in screen size.

The arguments between who or what a true eReader is are silly. What counts are the books, not the technology!

[JimKal]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

Other people's choices matter as a whole. Developers don't have infinite time and resources, and there is the hope that marketing people will look at threads that have "vs." in the title, and get the right idea about what they should invest in.

So the situation is reduced to extremes:
E-ink side: LCD works fine for multimedia but ereader developers shouldn't waste time with it, I don't care if you can read on it.

LCD side: The past few years were focused only on E-ink, we got as much as we can out of it, it is time for ereader developers to look at something else.

You have really missed my point. I have no problem with a discussion of the merits of any given device. I do think it inappropriate to make personal comments that disparage people as to their choice of reading device. If you don't like a particular device, don't buy it. But if someone has bought one and is satisfied with their choice, trying to tell them that they should have chosen some other device because it meets your ("your" in the global sense, not you personally) preferences leads to argument rather than discussion.

I see e-reading, driven by the expanding field of e-readering devices, as offering more choices to us as consumers. It also seems to opening up avenues to authors who want to publish and have difficulty getting published in the tradition press. At some point, there needs to be more standardization of format. I look forward to that day.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by JimKal

You have really missed my point.

I don't think that I have.
You said: "Far too many people devote too much time and effort into acting other people's choices."
I replied with: "Other people's choices matter as a whole." and continued to explain why that is.

I have no problem with a discussion of the merits of any given device. I do think it inappropriate to make personal comments that disparage people as to their choice of reading device.

If the one who started this thread wanted to get a statistic on how many people wanted LCD and how many people wanted E-ink, we would have had a poll now. And since devices aren't perfect yet, given two choices people have a tendency to say what they didn't like about the one they didn't choose.

[JimKal]

[QUOTE=Sil_liS;1198476]I don't think that I have.
You said: "Far too many people devote too much time and effort into acting (I meant to use the word "attacking")other people's choices."
I replied with: "Other people's choices matter as a whole." and continued to explain why that is.

Your reply indicates that you still miss the point. I'll rephrase it: "It is fine to write to the merits of a given device. It is inappropriate to disparage the people making those choices. My original post was to compliment another poster (Jackie) who made the point well, not to engage in a duel over semantics with you.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

I may have had dual brain farts.

My username in green over my avatar indicates I'm a moderator. As such, I have the power to edit posts other than my own. I seldom wear the moderator hat, and the few times I've deliberately edited someone else's post have been to remove links to illegal content.

But if you're a moderator, and you click the Edit button instead of the Quote button when replying to someone, and you get distracted and don't realize what you did, well, excrement occurs.

Apologies, and mea culpa.
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Dennis

No worries. I wasn't sweating it.

[Maggie Leung]

Originally Posted by JimKal

You have really missed my point. I have no problem with a discussion of the merits of any given device. I do think it inappropriate to make personal comments that disparage people as to their choice of reading device. If you don't like a particular device, don't buy it. But if someone has bought one and is satisfied with their choice, trying to tell them that they should have chosen some other device because it meets your ("your" in the global sense, not you personally) preferences leads to argument rather than discussion.

I see e-reading, driven by the expanding field of e-readering devices, as offering more choices to us as consumers. It also seems to opening up avenues to authors who want to publish and have difficulty getting published in the tradition press. At some point, there needs to be more standardization of format. I look forward to that day.

Here's to reading in all its forms, and to new avenues for writers. Cheers.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by JimKal

My original post was to compliment another poster (Jackie) who made the point well, not to engage in a duel over semantics with you.

And I wasn't commenting on you agreeing with Jackie, but explaining why people devote too much time and effort to this argument. You might have noticed that this is what I quoted.

So I wasn't talking about people's methods of getting their point across, but why they bother to do that in the first place. You apparently got the idea that I was disagreeing with the part that I didn't quote, since you continue to rephrase that.

And yes, I don't think that I am wasting too much time having this argument with you.

[monkeyluis]

Originally Posted by Maggie Leung

Here's to reading in all its forms, and to new avenues for writers. Cheers.

Amen!!

[astra]

Originally Posted by Maggie Leung

I think the distinction is between dismissing a product for your individual use vs. dismissing people who prefer LCD as not serious readers. I think the first makes sense, while the later is illogical.

I agree.

[ColdSun]

For my part in this thread, I usually don't get so passionate about this because I have long ago accepted that others (on both sides) are illogical about the argument. If you read this thread fully you will see that none of my posts was a personal attack, just my belief that it is illogical for people to make assumptions on certain things without the hard facts to back it up (and not opinions). These things specifically being that most serious readers prefer eink and LCD (specifically) damages your eyes. I will continue to set the record straight on both of those points, although I will try to word it better in the future.

I know we all have our preferences, and in fact we should go with what we feel is the most comfortable way of reading. Trying to shove one side down our throats isn't going to help though. While saying you dismiss LCD devices as readers is a personal choice, it is not everyone else's choice. As MobileRead members, out of anyone else in the reading community, we should have more tolerance (for people that use others as well) for all kinds of reading technology and not just one. Everything out there helps to promote ebook reading, even if it isn't your device, and there is plenty of room for all of us. I can understand the non-reading population at Engadget making bold and silly statements, but really, people here should know this argument well enough to know there is no right side, only opinion. As a user of this site for many years, before eink even became prevelant, it is disappointing to come here and see people bigoting their devices like this on MobileRead. I am NOT talking about anyone in particular, so please, do not think I'm getting personal.

Now, I'm going to get back to what I'm good at - reviewing Mobile Devices.