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My opinion
Hi all, I think that the "Massive wave of eBook piracy" is due to a correspondingly massive increase in ebook reading over the past year or two.
Personally, and I believe I am probably typical, I definitely prefer to purchase my ebooks. I have accounts with Amazon, Borders, B&N and buy from them regularly. However, when you see paperback mass market books selling for the same or even less than an e copy, what are we to think? that pBooks cost nothing to print distribute and stock? Or maybe we are being ripped off? I am not trying to excuse piracy (I am sometimes guilty of it too), but it seems to me that a fair price reflecting the true cost of the ebook paid directly to the producer of the work would stop a great many people from stealing it. ![]() |
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eBooks should be no more than $5 US, imo. When I can buy a paperback cheaper than an eBook, then you know something is screwed up with the pricing structure. It's just plain common sense.
(Btw, I noticed that recently Amazon has dropped eBook to on or close to paperback prices, so that's a good sign. Hope that continues.) |
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I think the two posters before me have kind of nailed the feelings of quite a number of people. Let's see: cut down tree, mill and turn to pulp, press to paper, cut to size, print and ink costs, bind it, cover it with heavier stock, ship across country/world, inventory it, stock it on shelves, sell at register and sell for equal or less than the cost of the ebook version. Seems perfectly priced. Hmmm.
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Me: "2. I've not distributed the book to anyone else." You: "2. Immaterial." Me: "2. No it isn't. The reason why we have a DMCA in the first place should make it clear why. " If this feels like a non-sequitur to you, I give up. The DMCA was a response to (the perceived) massive distribution of pirated materials for profit. It is FAR from immaterial that I do not distribute DRM-stripped books. This fact alone changes the (alleged) violation from a criminal matter to a civil matter. In conjunction with #1, it establishes a lack of violation of the spirit of the DMCA. Of course, these are all legal niceties and I grow confused at the rapid shifts between legal-only and moral-only concerns in such conversations. Which one am I being accused at this point in time? ![]() Uh, the advice under #3 of your list that I was replying to. "Do so at your own risk." Why was that confusing? ![]() Quote:
Until then, either term: crime (which is flatly wrong) and lawbreaking (which is merely "alleged" at the moment as I've explained in great detail by now) is unworthy of "exoneration" (your word). And I find your statement (#4 that I quoted above) deeply amusing because you're upset about legal semantics when it comes to lawbreaking. For a law as badly written as the DMCA, legal semantics are the norm rather than the exception. In fact, to belabor the point, the DMCA is the very personification of "legal semantic abuse" ![]() We've already established that there is nothing morally wrong about breaking DRM for personal private use. We're discussing here the legal aspects of the matter. Legal semantics are very much in play here. Quote:
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As Ken noted: "Generally, a seller's control over what they sell and the conditions of sale end once payment has been made and accepted." Another example: most complex products come with a "no reverse engineering" clause. The intent and limitations of this clause are both well-understood. Unfortunately, people deliberately refuse to understand these when it comes to media (of all kinds). Bewildering. Last edited by thrawn_aj; 10-23-2010 at 10:01 PM. Reason: typo |
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As far as exemption #6 goes, it seems pretty clear to me. There was an entire thread on here. Look it up. The rest of what you wrote is so full of misquoting, quoting out of context, wandering off topic, etc, I'm not even going to waste time trying to sort it out. I don't mind arguing with someone with signs of intelligence but you? I think not. |
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When Fictionwise just started I bought the the ebooks from Colleen McCullough, and downloaded them to my palm Zire 72. They were only in e-reader format.
Since then I've tried to buy them again (because I really want to read them again), but now due to geo-restrictions I can't.. Colleen McCullough is from Australia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colleen_McCullough ) and currently live on Norfolk Island. None of her ebooks are available to Australians... If I knew how to pirate, I probably would... ![]() |
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Interesting and relevant article: http://torrentfreak.com/book-piracy-...ndously101023/.
Pirates buy the material they like and respect, too. They aren't doing any damage to the market for published material, either, unlike the majority of publishing houses. |
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It a contract moral? Because that, in essence, is what we're talking about. Society has made a contract with creators to provide a economic benefit to the creators, for a limited period of time, to encourage more creation. At the time of marketing every creation, there is a set of terms and conditions made, accepted by both parties, made by the act of publishing (in the broad sense). Nobody forces a creator to either create or release his works. Remember how long some of Mark Twain's Autobiography has been held. If there is a morality to contract, it is that both parties adhere to the terms of the contract. And every copyright extension granted dances and spits on that morality (if it exists). That doesn't mean that copyright for new works can't be extended, but it shouldn't apply retroactively to existing works. That is abrogating the original contract, stealing from the public that granted it in the first place. So, if one party is stealing, how do they have the moral high ground to complain about the other party stealing? Until 1978, all works covered by copyright had a maximum copyright length of 56 years. So anything released before 1954 should have been in the public domain. That includes movies, music, writing, photographs, ect. So where's my PD copy of Casablanca? Or Tex Ritter's Pistol Packin' Mama? Or the Heinlein's The Rolling Stones? Stolen, each one, by powerful corporations, by bribing politicians to ignore the public's rights and hand them back to the corporations... |
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