Massive wave of ebook piracy?

[kennyc]

That's not what you said before.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by kennyc

That's not what you said before.

Looks the same argument to me.

That is a modern medicine fix. Treat the symptom. How about treating the cause?

Scrap geo restrictions and DRM and be realistic with pricing to attract more sales.

Encourage more people to buy ebooks rather than be turned away and seeking an alternative because they cannot purchase the ebook they want AND are happy to purchase.

The publishing industry is its own worst enemy. They could be riding on the digital age with common sense distribution models (Baen model perhaps?) instead of making it harder for ebooks to be sold. This is the reality.

You are not reading what I say or chose not to read what I say before launching the same argument.

I am NOT arguing that sellers do not have the right to selective selling, access to purchase or what price regime to set. That alone is the crux of the problem.

Try and understand that the current anachronistic distribution system contributes to the piracy problem because it does restrict whole regions from book purchase, it does charge far higher costs for ebooks when they plainly do not need to be set so high (Again, the Baen model, which works!)

Unlock all that and buyers will come back to buying ebooks, like they probably wanted to do in the first place but were prevented to.

The reading world is a different place that what it was 20 years ago and frankly, just like the entertainment industry, publishers cannot cope and will not change, despite seeing the writing on the wall requiring they need to change.

[NVash]

That if people want piracy to end things need to change? Might be. Thing is that things wont change. Since I made that post I havent seen one decent comment about it, just one about how its the same old argument. Let it be the same argument, why cant we come to some rational conclusion and try to find a solution? Seems were still running in circles and that might just be what the publishers are doing.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Looks the same argument to me.

Well it's not. You said that the problem was due to DRM and geo restrictions.

Then you said something else.

You were wrong. The seller has the right to put drm on or restrict who they sell to. That gives no one the right to steal from them.

End of story.

[Piper_]

Unless my browser is blanking out sections of posts, then, nowhere, in either of those posts, did he breathe a word about anyone's "rights".

He simply offered solutions they could implement to reduce piracy.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Well it's not. You said that the problem was due to DRM and geo restrictions.

Then you said something else.

You were wrong. The seller has the right to put drm on or restrict who they sell to. That gives no one the right to steal from them.

End of story.

Sigh......

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by kevinp

I thought pirating WAS stealing...

Pirating is rationalized stealing.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Sigh......

Yes, exactly.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Piper_

Unless my browser is blanking out sections of posts, nowhere, in either of those posts, did he breathe a word about anyone's "rights".

He simply offered solutions they could implement to reduce piracy.

You're missing the point, we're talking about what causes piracy, not something else. He said it was due to DRM and geo restrictions then he went on to say other things that were unrelated to what is actually happening.

You can't make up fantasy situations or solutions based on incorrect assumptions about what is really happening.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Yes, exactly.

Exactly what?

That your argument espousing that the current distribution model complete with restrictions on regions (Geographic restriction), DRM and non competitive pricing is the way forward?

All I can say is thank God for the middle group because the two outer ones put up the same tired old, immobile narrow minded argument everytime without even offering any suggestions on how to fix the problem.

Black and white with no shades of grey.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Exactly what?

That your argument espousing that the current distribution model complete with restrictions on regions (Geographic restriction), DRM and non competitive pricing is the way forward?

All I can say is thank God for the middle group because the two outer ones put up the same tired old, immobile narrow minded argument everytime without even offering any suggestions on how to fix the problem.

Black and white with no shades of grey.

Sigh!

[Lady Fitzgerald]

Originally Posted by sabredog

Exactly what?

That your argument espousing that the current distribution model complete with restrictions on regions (Geographic restriction), DRM and non competitive pricing is the way forward?

All I can say is thank God for the middle group because the two outer ones put up the same tired old, immobile narrow minded argument everytime without even offering any suggestions on how to fix the problem.

Black and white with no shades of grey.

Gray? As in halfway breaking the law? That's right up there with just a little pregnant.

[NVash]

Am I missing posts here? Who is talking about breaking the law? I talked about why they try to justify it and made a few suggestions on how to stop it altogether.

Seeing alot of in this thread. Anyone listening to anyone or is it just read a few lines of a post, see something similar to what was already said, comment that its a bunch of junk and the same already said then leaving?

Weve established that many believe its illegal. Weve established why they do it. Now how can we stop it?

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by Steven Lyle Jordan

Though I disagree with the analogy (knowing far too many people whose unintended early pregnancies effectively ruined their adulthoods), how would you want to see them "deal with it rationally"?

I'm not sure why your experience would make the analogy less valid. It wasn't about saying sex was ok. It was about handling problems in a manner that didn't cause kids to reject your advice. Being respectable and trustworthy.

It was about how browbeating and trying to paint people in the worst light might feel good emotionally, but it seldom has positive results.


As for ways to deal with piracy rationally, I think a lot of people have offered some good suggestions. I just wish the responses wouldn't be to indiscriminately accuse them of rationalizing or imposing on publishers rights, even when they are doing neither.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by Piper_

As for ways to deal with piracy rationally, I think a lot of people have offered some good suggestions. I just wish the responses wouldn't be to indiscriminately accuse them of rationalizing or imposing on publishers rights, even when they are doing neither.

The two groups on either side of the argument do not want change. Regimented in their thinking, they are happy with their point of view and are more than keen to tear down the opposing side and the middle roaders. Currently though, the middle roaders are the ones offering ideas to facilitate change.

After all, reducing piracy by freeing up imposts that contribute to piracy is the best way forward? Apparently not, according to some.