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Old 10-21-2010, 02:44 PM   #16
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@avantman42: Oh god. SCART. We're still using that in France... >_<". (Well, not so much for a few years now, but still, my DVD player *is* using a SCART connector right now... -_-"). (We call them 'péritel' plugs...)
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The cost of A/V cables, especially HDMI cables, has very little bearing on the quality. Monster Cable has proven that. Try monoprice.com for quality cables at extremely low cost. They work fine on my 60" Sony.
There's truly nothing to be gained with a higher-quality cable for a digital signal - either the 1's and 0's arrive or they don't, are corrupted or they aren't.

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I'll probably start to like the "new standard" when the micro-B USB cable price drops below US$5,- as of now, they cost ~US$30+ in Norway
I buy either from Monoprice.com as mentioned above or direct from China.

Shipping is usually included in the direct-from-China vendors so a USB cable will only cost you $4. I had one of these shipped to Canada without any problems:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Short-Usb-male-ri...-/390254285866

MonoPrice.com USB cable:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Cripe. $0.85 anyone?
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I just wish they would decide on which way is 'up' on a micro-B connector.
I have 4 devices that use them and it's a 50-50 split as to which way they regard as 'up'.
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I just wish they would decide on which way is 'up' on a micro-B connector.
I have 4 devices that use them and it's a 50-50 split as to which way they regard as 'up'.
Yeah, what's up with that?
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Yeah, what's up with that?
Very punny.

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I just wish they would decide on which way is 'up' on a micro-B connector.
I have 4 devices that use them and it's a 50-50 split as to which way they regard as 'up'.
What I suspect is going on there is circuit board placement of the plug.

If the female receptacle is soldered onto the bottom of a circuit board (as seen from the user's perspective) it would put the plug upside-down, versus soldering to the top of the board.

Combine that with manufacturers looking for the best deals on components and the possibility there is only one type of socket available (bottom solder or top solder with no choice of the opposite).
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@avantman42: Oh god. SCART. We're still using that in France... >_<". (Well, not so much for a few years now, but still, my DVD player *is* using a SCART connector right now... -_-"). (We call them 'péritel' plugs...)
I've currently got a VCR, DVD player, cable box and TV all connected together with SCART leads. The TV is a CRT one, so I suppose when we get an LCD TV we'll finally be able to ditch the SCART leads.
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SCART is an awful standard. The plug and cable seem to be specifically designed so it slowly gets levered out of the socket by the weight of the cable. No locking mechanism at all either. The whole point was to standardise on the connector for TVs which it did because before SCART, you'd get a wide range of sockets and plugs but the actual plug they chose is still awful.
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SCART is an awful standard. The plug and cable seem to be specifically designed so it slowly gets levered out of the socket by the weight of the cable. No locking mechanism at all either. The whole point was to standardise on the connector for TVs which it did because before SCART, you'd get a wide range of sockets and plugs but the actual plug they chose is still awful.
Exactly. I liked that they standardised on one plug/socket, I just wish they'd standardised on one that wasn't so ludicrously rubbish.
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Actually, we can thank the European Union for mandating a standard to eliminate or reduce the landfill component of propriety ac charger plugs and voltages. Has Apple's new stuff joined the standards or are they still totally proprietary in plugs/cables/adapters?

The new Blackberry's use the new micro usb. And I've now got a collection of "resize" adapters - micro to mini and mini to micro. Crackberry.com sells a micro to mini 1" adapter.

And monoprice user, here, too. I got a 50 foot hdmi for about that price. Talk about weight wanting to unseat a cable - hdmi flunks that test.
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Has Apple's new stuff joined the standards or are they still totally proprietary in plugs/cables/adapters?
The iDevice end still has their own iPod dock connector but they've standardised on USB and USB charging now. They dropped the Firewire comms and charging support long ago. That said, iDevices are very picky about the charger itself. If the data lines aren't at the correct voltages to signify that it is a USB charger and capable of supplying X amount of current then it will refuse to charge. You can't just give it 5V on the power lines.

The sync/charge cables from Apple are just regular cables but some of their other cables like the newer component video output cables have a special authentication chip built into them. If the newer iDevices which support video output don't detect that chip then they won't enable the output. That is all the chip is there for. It doesn't do any conversion or processing of the video signal.
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There's truly nothing to be gained with a higher-quality cable for a digital signal - either the 1's and 0's arrive or they don't, are corrupted or they aren't.



I buy either from Monoprice.com as mentioned above or direct from China.

Shipping is usually included in the direct-from-China vendors so a USB cable will only cost you $4. I had one of these shipped to Canada without any problems:

http://cgi.ebay.ca/Short-Usb-male-ri...-/390254285866

MonoPrice.com USB cable:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Cripe. $0.85 anyone?
You do what you want, but when I do in-wall installations, I prefer to use cables that are well shielded and will last. Also have found that the headers on the cheapo cables are molded plastic and often fall apart with almost no effort, while the higher quality cables use screwed together metal headers which don't break. Also the cheap cables snap off when almost no pressure is used if you don't use elbow mounts (many TVs these days don't have side mounts, and low profile mounts don't provide enough clearance).

In the rare case where you have to run a cable under carpet or you have to bend it at a near 90 degree angle, you will also want a higher quality cable with extra shielding/padding, which you can't get for 2$.

Again, realize I was speaking of HDMI cables here
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You do what you want, but when I do in-wall installations, I prefer to use cables that are well shielded and will last. Also have found that the headers on the cheapo cables are molded plastic and often fall apart with almost no effort, while the higher quality cables use screwed together metal headers which don't break. Also the cheap cables snap off when almost no pressure is used if you don't use elbow mounts (many TVs these days don't have side mounts, and low profile mounts don't provide enough clearance).

In the rare case where you have to run a cable under carpet or you have to bend it at a near 90 degree angle, you will also want a higher quality cable with extra shielding/padding, which you can't get for 2$.
There is a difference between a decent but reasonable priced cable and the crazy expensive rip off level that you'd get if you buy the premium branded cables though :P
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I agree, when possible I buy a spool and make my own cables (rg/cat) but with HDMI this isn't yet convenient/possible
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I agree, when possible I buy a spool and make my own cables (rg/cat) but with HDMI this isn't yet convenient/possible
True. You have to buy the cable for that and I wouldn't trust the really cheap suspicious no name cables because of the reasons you stated. Especially if this cable is going to end up in the wall or something which will be difficult to access later on. Spend the $$$ on a good quality cable.
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My HTC EVO uses micro USB. Both the charging and the USB cables I have for the Kindle, including a cheap retractable I bought on eBay, work great on the EVO too.
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