"Locations" vs. Pages in K3 - AAAAAAAH!

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Harmon

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I think that something like that is why people don't like locations. The numbers are too big to be able to position yourself, mentally. Someone on the thread said that he or she preferred to just look at the percentage, and on reflection, I find that I do, too. Zero to 100.

I think that's it exactly.

[sirmaru]

If one places a paper bookmark in a pBook, one has TWO PAGES bookmarked, the left and right of the paper marker. If one folds the corner of a page in a pBook, one again has two pages marked, the front and back pages. One still does NOT know what paragraph he ended and where to begin.

Using Amazon locations. one marks the EXACT WORD of where one left off reading an eBook.

If one uses pages in Sony eBooks, one's page bookmark can cover from two to ten SCREENS of information. Its pure luck or memory for one to find out there where one left off reading.

For avid readers the Amazon Kindle location beats pages hands down.

[kennyc]

What are bookmarks?

[Bookworm_Girl]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

If one places a paper bookmark in a pBook, one has TWO PAGES bookmarked, the left and right of the paper marker. If one folds the corner of a page in a pBook, one again has two pages marked, the front and back pages. One still does NOT know what paragraph he ended and where to begin.

Using Amazon locations. one marks the EXACT WORD of where one left off reading an eBook.

If one uses pages in Sony eBooks, one's page bookmark can cover from two to ten SCREENS of information. Its pure luck or memory for one to find out there where one left off reading.

For avid readers the Amazon Kindle location beats pages hands down.

Most (if not all) of the major ereader brands remember the last page (screen) read when you reopen a book, which renders bookmarks in the traditional sense obsolete as kennyc jested. In addition Sony has the history feature by which you can retrace your screen movements through a book. But, I also like to use bookmarks too.

In my experience my Sony and Kindle treat bookmarks in the same way.

According to the Amazon User Guide, a bookmark "marks a page for later reference". In section 3.5 it states: "When you add a bookmark, it is associated with the first location on the page." I haven't figured out a way yet to set a bookmark at a specific word on a page as you suggest. If there is nifty shortcut to do so, then it would be useful tip to know.

Similarly the Sony bookmark marks one screen for later reference (not multiple). On the newer models, if you look at your annotations list, then you will see that the bookmark has been assigned to the first few words of the screen (just like the Kindle).

On both the Sony and Kindle, if you wanted to set a bookmark at a specific word on a page, then I think you have to actually create a highlight or note at that specific word.

[captcrouton]

I love locations. I've said it on another forum. What I do wish is that I could turn off any indicators of where I am in the book. The downside of books of all varieties is that you know the book is about to end, or not about to end based on how far you are through it. So if you're reading a mystery, you know how soon the detective will be solving the case, for example.

Far more interesting for me is to read such a book from an omnibus or story collection. There's more suspense and surprise which is a clear advantage with ebooks.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by Bad Astronaut

Obviously this is a tangent, but you only think that because you grew up with Fahrenheit and you're used to it. From my perspective there's nothing special about -18C that makes it a natural barrier between "damned uncomfortable" and "tolerable" or something like that. Whereas there is actually an observable difference between temperatures above and below 0C. Plus, being outside in below-freezing weather is pretty damned uncomfortable if you aren't dressed for it.

Nah, I spent some of my formative years overseas. To this day, I can think in clicks.

I think that the F scale accidentally works on the basis of 0 to 100, and I'll bet that if you think about it, you'll find that you are comfortable in any system that is so based.

You only think that C is easy "because you grew up with centigrade and you are used to it." But I'll bet you can think in F faster than those who grew up in F can think in C.

[GreenMonkey]

Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl

The other ereaders mentioned above are primarily used to read EPUB books. EPUB uses the label "page" for a chunk of data that remains static and does not necessarily equal one screen. Therefore, at small font, 3 consecutive screens might show Page 1 * Page 2 * Page 3. At large font, those 3 screens might show Page 1 * Page 1 - 2 * Page 2. The beginning and end page breaks have remained static, but the number of screens to view a page at increased font has changed.

This is how Epub does it - and it makes sense. Easier to cite for certain. Everyone will have the same page number. Maybe it will be 1 pageturns on their device / font setting, maybe 3, to go through the page... but it works and keeps it consistent across devices.

Plus - I've gone from the ebook version to the hardcover version - and the epub page number lands you in pretty much the same vicinity (not perfect, I don't think, but close). Again, good for citing.

[pietro99]

I haven't read all pages of this thread, so this may have been mentioned.

I think mobi files have a problem with page numbers...they can't do it accurately. I had a Bebook as my previous reader and always used mobi. But the page numbers were way out, and if you changed the font, the number would be different. And if it crashed, when you rebooted the number of pages would be different. A nightmare really. Also they were never accurate...I had one book that turned out to be 1000 pages fewer than indicated!

I think the locations is just fine, and knowing the percentage read is accurate enough for me.The Kindle 3 is a dream.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

If one places a paper bookmark in a pBook, one has TWO PAGES bookmarked, the left and right of the paper marker. If one folds the corner of a page in a pBook, one again has two pages marked, the front and back pages. One still does NOT know what paragraph he ended and where to begin.

For pbooks, I use the system used by Joseph Epstein - stop reading at the first full paragraph on the left hand page. Works.

[foghat]

Originally Posted by Harmon

But I'll bet you can think in F faster than those who grew up in F can think in C.

I might agree with that on the upper end of the F scale. And if I conceed that point, which I am not sure I would, it is only because I live next door to the US and, as such, have been exposed (bombarded?) to the Fahrenheit scale via US weather feeds.

However, on the lower end of the scale, not a chance. 0F means nothing. Yes that is darn cold, but it gets much colder in many places (especially if you factor in windchill). At that point you are getting into negative F, which adds even more to the confusion.

Much easier, imo, to visualize water freezing at 0 (which, practically speaking, means cold enough to snow) and then take it from there.

[Harmon]

Originally Posted by foghat

I might agree with that on the upper end of the F scale. And if I conceed that point, which I am not sure I would, it is only because I live next door to the US and, as such, have been exposed (bombarded?) to the Fahrenheit scale via US weather feeds.

Snowed under?

However, on the lower end of the scale, not a chance. 0F means nothing. Yes that is darn cold, but it gets much colder in many places (especially if you factor in windchill). At that point you are getting into negative F, which adds even more to the confusion.

For me, zero F works as a reference point. At 10, I start looking for my parka. At 0, I put it on...

Much easier, imo, to visualize water freezing at 0 (which, practically speaking, means cold enough to snow) and then take it from there.

(When I visualize water freezing I always think of ice cubes and then, of course, martinis. I never think of snow.)

Zero should mean hockey weather. Zero C is not cold enough for hockey ice. Zero F is. From this, we can conclude that F is tougher than C. At Zero C you can still wear shorts and play that sissy game kicking the round ball. At Zero F your ball is deflated...

[Bad Astronaut]

Originally Posted by Harmon

Zero should mean hockey weather. Zero C is not cold enough for hockey ice. Zero F is. From this, we can conclude that F is tougher than C. At Zero C you can still wear shorts and play that sissy game kicking the round ball. At Zero F your ball is deflated...

I play hockey all summer too so it doesn't make much difference

[hamfitz]

Originally Posted by sirmaru

If one places a paper bookmark in a pBook, one has TWO PAGES bookmarked, the left and right of the paper marker. If one folds the corner of a page in a pBook, one again has two pages marked, the front and back pages. One still does NOT know what paragraph he ended and where to begin.

Using Amazon locations. one marks the EXACT WORD of where one left off reading an eBook.

If one uses pages in Sony eBooks, one's page bookmark can cover from two to ten SCREENS of information. Its pure luck or memory for one to find out there where one left off reading.

For avid readers the Amazon Kindle location beats pages hands down.

just wondering how its able to mark the exact word of where one left off? there is no way it can tell what the last word you read.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by hamfitz

just wondering how its able to mark the exact word of where one left off? there is no way it can tell what the last word you read.

What? Didn't you know? The K3 can read your mind.

[JeremyR]

Originally Posted by Harmon

I think that the F scale accidentally works on the basis of 0 to 100, and I'll bet that if you think about it, you'll find that you are comfortable in any system that is so based.

It wasn't an accident though. It was deliberately designed to be like that. He took an earlier scale (Romer) which was 0 to 60 (water boiling) and made it more granular, keeping the 0 and making 100 being body temperature (though he was a little off there)

The zero was a little arbitrary (frozen saltwater, I think) but basing it around human body temperature does make more sense than the boiling point of water (which never actually happens in everyday life)