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Gibbo · 11-11-2007, 04:21 PM

Why with the pdf format you can have the page numbers and not with prc?

delphidb96 · 11-11-2007, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibbo

Why with the pdf format you can have the page numbers and not with prc?

Probably because the PDF file has a *FIXED* number of pages (page images) and the typical ebook page count changes as the font family and size is changed. That's not to say that a 'page of... total page count' feature can't be implemented, just that it hasn't been done - yet!

Derek

Gibbo · 11-11-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

Probably because the PDF file has a *FIXED* number of pages (page images) and the typical ebook page count changes as the font family and size is changed. That's not to say that a 'page of... total page count' feature can't be implemented, just that it hasn't been done - yet!

Derek

What about a ebook converted with Book designer can I insert the page numbers?

delphidb96 · 11-11-2007, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gibbo

What about a ebook converted with Book designer can I insert the page numbers?

Why? I mean, this is formatted for an ebook, which by its very nature is not oriented towards specific page numbers for specific paragraphs. Now if you want to mark a specific image or paragraph, why not set up a bookmark or hyperlink?

Derek

tompe · 11-11-2007, 05:12 PM

One obvious reason to have the pagenumber that corresponds to the numbers in the printed books is when you discus the book in a book circle. It is easier to refer to specific passages.

Another reason to have som kind of page number is if you want to read one third of the book one evening. Or if you just want to read a specific amount as I sometimes want to do when it is a boring book that I want or need to finish.

Since the total page number is available in the goto page menu it should be easy to display the current and the total page number.

jbenny · 11-11-2007, 06:10 PM

tompe, you should read the discussion on page numbers and other ways to identify parts of an ebook in the Content part of the forum. Just skip over the off topic posts that unfortunately are also part of this interesting discussion.

delphidb96 · 11-11-2007, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

One obvious reason to have the pagenumber that corresponds to the numbers in the printed books is when you discus the book in a book circle. It is easier to refer to specific passages.

Another reason to have som kind of page number is if you want to read one third of the book one evening. Or if you just want to read a specific amount as I sometimes want to do when it is a boring book that I want or need to finish.

Since the total page number is available in the goto page menu it should be easy to display the current and the total page number.

Tompe,

But again, that doesn't make sense. If you prefer Berling Antiqua font at font level 5 and I prefer Verdana at font level 7, your 'page 255' is going to be *pages* away from *my* 'page 255'. So no, that's not reason enough.

Derek

JSWolf · 11-12-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

Probably because the PDF file has a *FIXED* number of pages (page images) and the typical ebook page count changes as the font family and size is changed. That's not to say that a 'page of... total page count' feature can't be implemented, just that it hasn't been done - yet!

Derek

A reflowable format can have page numbers. BBeB has page numbers. At the bottom of the screen it shows (for example) 10 of 123. And the page numbers do change accordingly when you change the font size. Also, when you go to the internal ToC, you do see page numbers as well.

HarryT · 11-12-2007, 05:54 AM

It certainly can have page numbers, but I think that what Derek is saying is that on a machine such as the Gen3, which allows you to view the text in a limitless range of different fonts and text sizes, those page numbers cannot be sensibly used to refer to a particular point in the text, which is what tompe was suggesting. It's different on the Sony Reader where the user can't change the font, and there are only three text sizes available.

tompe · 11-12-2007, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It certainly can have page numbers, but I think that what Derek is saying is that on a machine such as the Gen3, which allows you to view the text in a limitless range of different fonts and text sizes, those page numbers cannot be sensibly used to refer to a particular point in the text, which is what tompe was suggesting. It's different on the Sony Reader where the user can't change the font, and there are only three text sizes available.

I was suggesting two things. The easy way to just display the page number would be useful and it does not matter that it changes when I changes font size. If I would like to read one tenth of a book I can easily do that having the current page number and the total number of pages. Now it is not so easy to read a specific amount of the book.

The other thing was to have real page numbers (displayed for example in the margin) corresponding to the printed version. That is not only useful in academic situations as discussed in the thread about this but useful when discussing the book with friends.

astra · 11-12-2007, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It certainly can have page numbers, but I think that what Derek is saying is that on a machine such as the Gen3, which allows you to view the text in a limitless range of different fonts and text sizes, those page numbers cannot be sensibly used to refer to a particular point in the text, which is what tompe was suggesting. It's different on the Sony Reader where the user can't change the font, and there are only three text sizes available.

How can you read a book without a knowledge what page you are on and how many pages there are in total?

tompe · 11-12-2007, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by astra_lestat

How can you read a book without a knowledge what page you are on and how many pages there are in total?

There is a progress bar so you know approximately where you are in the book.

astra · 11-12-2007, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

There is a progress bar so you know approximately where you are in the book.

I see.
I hope they will add page numbers as well. Quite often I go to TOC and look how many pages left till the end of the chapter to decide on the course of my action ...turn the lights off and go to sleep for example or something like that.
Page numbers are very important part of my reading experience. However, I understand that many people don't care. Like some people want to have a clock and I cannot stand the idea of haveing time in fron of my eyes all the time when I read.

delphidb96 · 11-12-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by astra_lestat

I see.
I hope they will add page numbers as well. Quite often I go to TOC and look how many pages left till the end of the chapter to decide on the course of my action ...turn the lights off and go to sleep for example or something like that.
Page numbers are very important part of my reading experience. However, I understand that many people don't care. Like some people want to have a clock and I cannot stand the idea of haveing time in fron of my eyes all the time when I read.

Interesting. I've never considered page numbers integral/important to my reading enjoyment of a novel. However, as others have said, *IF* I were reading along with a group of people or studying a text for reference purposes, I'd definitely *want* page numbers.

As for deciding whether to read on or sleep... as the Cybook draws so little power, I usually just place it on my nightstand and turn off the lights wherever I am in the book.

Derek

tribble · 11-12-2007, 12:00 PM

Actually, pagenumbers in reflowable formats are quite complex. You have to either render the whole book to know, how many pages there are, or do an educated guess. I would like to see something like a fixed pagenumber. Best if it would correlate to the printed book, and then have subpagenumbers on the reflowable format.

Opps, guess we are OT here, arent we. Well, i am looking forward to finally gt one of those CyBooks in my hands.

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11-11-2007, 04:21 PM	#46
Gibbo Guru Posts: 776 Karma: 2475053 Join Date: May 2007 Device: Galaxy Tab A (2019) - iPhone 11 - KA1 - Onyx Boox Nova Pro	Why with the pdf format you can have the page numbers and not with prc?

11-11-2007, 05:12 PM	#50
tompe Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,452 Karma: 7185064 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Linköpng, Sweden Device: Kindle Voyage, Nexus 5, Kindle PW	One obvious reason to have the pagenumber that corresponds to the numbers in the printed books is when you discus the book in a book circle. It is easier to refer to specific passages. Another reason to have som kind of page number is if you want to read one third of the book one evening. Or if you just want to read a specific amount as I sometimes want to do when it is a boring book that I want or need to finish. Since the total page number is available in the goto page menu it should be easy to display the current and the total page number.

11-11-2007, 06:10 PM	#51
jbenny Addict Posts: 323 Karma: 358 Join Date: May 2007 Device: Tablet PC and Nokia N800	tompe, you should read the discussion on page numbers and other ways to identify parts of an ebook in the Content part of the forum. Just skip over the off topic posts that unfortunately are also part of this interesting discussion.

11-12-2007, 05:54 AM	#54
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	It certainly can have page numbers, but I think that what Derek is saying is that on a machine such as the Gen3, which allows you to view the text in a limitless range of different fonts and text sizes, those page numbers cannot be sensibly used to refer to a particular point in the text, which is what tompe was suggesting. It's different on the Sony Reader where the user can't change the font, and there are only three text sizes available.

11-12-2007, 12:00 PM	#60
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	Actually, pagenumbers in reflowable formats are quite complex. You have to either render the whole book to know, how many pages there are, or do an educated guess. I would like to see something like a fixed pagenumber. Best if it would correlate to the printed book, and then have subpagenumbers on the reflowable format. Opps, guess we are OT here, arent we. Well, i am looking forward to finally gt one of those CyBooks in my hands.