Sony505 Vs. Cybook gen3? - Page 3

JoeC · 11-11-2007, 02:22 AM

I got hooked on quickly looking up a word on a dictionary using the Rocketbook. I continued to enjoy this using the MS Reader on an iPaq and Treo.

I didn't realize their was a way to unlock a mobi book. I still have a lot to learn. I understand your desire to have DRM free books.

Which ever way you choose to go both the 505 and Cybook are a pleasure to use. The technology gets better with each generation.

julia · 11-11-2007, 08:05 AM

shots of cybook and sony grayscale with daylight lamp.
same conditions and same actions to make it available for website (from raw into png small size).

Attachment 7187

Attachment 7188

rjnagle · 11-11-2007, 08:40 AM

sorry, here's a question for those pondering the difference of Gen 3 and 505.

Do these differences come out for graphics/illustrations that appear within an ebook?

Also, I'm still confused about mobipocket's support of jpgs. Their forum said that 64K is the maximum size, and that jpeg support must be manually checked on the Creator program for it to work. the cybook people said that they did support the hirsc attribute.

HarryT · 11-11-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by rjnagle

sorry, here's a question for those pondering the difference of Gen 3 and 505.

Do these differences come out for graphics/illustrations that appear within an ebook?

In the "real world" there is little - if any - practical difference. Both devices "dither" images so effectively that you really wouldn't know how many grey scales they support. Think of newspaper pictures; they are made up of only black dots and white space, and yet dithering gives the effect of multiple shades of grey. These readers display images the same way.

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Also, I'm still confused about mobipocket's support of jpgs. Their forum said that 64K is the maximum size, and that jpeg support must be manually checked on the Creator program for it to work. the cybook people said that they did support the hirsc attribute.

Again you really don't have to worry about it. Let the book creation software do it all for you. There's certainly no size limit on the how large an image can be displayed in a book.

JSWolf · 11-11-2007, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by julia

shots of cybook and sony grayscale with daylight lamp.
same conditions and same actions to make it available for website (from raw into png small size).

Attachment 7187

Attachment 7188

From the two photos, th Sony does show less dithering to get the different shades. It doe smake a slight difference as far as I can see.

HarryT · 11-11-2007, 09:47 AM

But that's a highly artificial test case. I'm talking about "real world" pictures. As I've said before, I really don't see any practical difference in picture quality between my 4 grey-scale Sony Reader and my 16 grey-scale iRex iLiad!

JSWolf · 11-11-2007, 09:50 AM

I'll have to have a compare of my wife's 500 with my 505 to see what's up.

JoeC · 11-11-2007, 12:01 PM

I'm with HarryT. I have a 505 and a Gen3. The displays are very similar to me. In natural light the Gen3 looks "whiter". Pictures look great on both. I'm no expert - this is just my impressions/feelings. Nothing scientific <g>.

DaleDe · 11-11-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Barcey

Sorry the picture didn't come out very good, I'll try to take better pictures if the sun is out tomorrow. I only have the CyBOOK so can't do side by side comparison.

I tried to get two different lighting conditions.

That would answer the question of quality. It seems that the image really has only 4 levels of gray instead of the 16 that I thought it had. There is another image with 16 distinct levels that may tell us more. I will find it and post it.

Dale

AnemicOak · 11-11-2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I need to give html2lrf a go next time I convert a mobi book. I have a few library downloads I need to give a conversion go to before they expire.

This seems to imply that DRM'd Mobi books can be converted. Any more info on that?

HarryT · 11-11-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

This seems to imply that DRM'd Mobi books can be converted. Any more info on that?

It is MobileRead policy not to provide detailed information on how to break DRM. I'm afraid you'll have to do your own research.

Thanks,

Moderator

AnemicOak · 11-11-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

It is MobileRead policy not to provide detailed information on how to break DRM. I'm afraid you'll have to do your own research.

Thanks,

Moderator

That's fine, no problem, I won't ask again, your playground, your rules.

wallcraft · 11-11-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rjnagle

Do these differences come out for graphics/illustrations that appear within an ebook?

Also, I'm still confused about mobipocket's support of jpgs. Their forum said that 64K is the maximum size, and that jpeg support must be manually checked on the Creator program for it to work. the cybook people said that they did support the hirsc attribute.

See Images in MobiPocket. Post #16 is the most relevant, and includes a link to a previous thread on a similar topic.

The vast majority of existing MOBI books have GIF images, and the typical color image reaches 64KB using GIF at a very small size (perhaps 300x300). So MOBI books have small images (smaller than other formats). This has nothing to do with the "hisrc" tag, which is still limited to 64KB per image. If you produce your own MOBI books using JPEG images, this problem largely goes away. For example, rather than using the original MOBI version, I download the DRM-free LIT version of multi-format e-books that include illustrations and then convert them to MOBI using ConvertLIT and mobigen.exe (-jpeg) to get larger images.

DaleDe · 11-11-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaleDe

That would answer the question of quality. It seems that the image really has only 4 levels of gray instead of the 16 that I thought it had. There is another image with 16 distinct levels that may tell us more. I will find it and post it.

Dale

Here is the 16 level gray sheet for use in checking picture quality difference. How many come through and how to they look?

Dale

wallcraft · 11-11-2007, 02:45 PM

If this is like an earlier 16-level version, it will only show 15 levels on the iLiad - presumably because one of the near-white levels is different in its table than in this image. I found that a continuous grey shade image (from a post by IceHand) provided a better indication of the available gray levels.

11-11-2007, 08:05 AM	#32
julia Connoisseur Posts: 88 Karma: 44 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: amsterdam Device: prs-505, kindle2, nook glow	macro shots shots of cybook and sony grayscale with daylight lamp. same conditions and same actions to make it available for website (from raw into png small size). Attachment 7187 Attachment 7188 Last edited by julia; 01-04-2009 at 03:35 PM.

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11-11-2007, 02:22 AM	#31
JoeC Evangelist Posts: 407 Karma: 2257942 Join Date: Sep 2007 Device: Kindle Oasis 2 and 3, Scribe, reMarkable Pro	I got hooked on quickly looking up a word on a dictionary using the Rocketbook. I continued to enjoy this using the MS Reader on an iPaq and Treo. I didn't realize their was a way to unlock a mobi book. I still have a lot to learn. I understand your desire to have DRM free books. Which ever way you choose to go both the 505 and Cybook are a pleasure to use. The technology gets better with each generation.

11-11-2007, 08:40 AM	#33
rjnagle Zealot Posts: 126 Karma: 2167 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Device: ipad 1, Nook Simple Touch, Kindle 3, ebookwise 1150	sorry, here's a question for those pondering the difference of Gen 3 and 505. Do these differences come out for graphics/illustrations that appear within an ebook? Also, I'm still confused about mobipocket's support of jpgs. Their forum said that 64K is the maximum size, and that jpeg support must be manually checked on the Creator program for it to work. the cybook people said that they did support the hirsc attribute.

11-11-2007, 09:47 AM	#36
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	But that's a highly artificial test case. I'm talking about "real world" pictures. As I've said before, I really don't see any practical difference in picture quality between my 4 grey-scale Sony Reader and my 16 grey-scale iRex iLiad!

11-11-2007, 09:50 AM	#37
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I'll have to have a compare of my wife's 500 with my 505 to see what's up.

11-11-2007, 12:01 PM	#38
JoeC Evangelist Posts: 407 Karma: 2257942 Join Date: Sep 2007 Device: Kindle Oasis 2 and 3, Scribe, reMarkable Pro	I'm with HarryT. I have a 505 and a Gen3. The displays are very similar to me. In natural light the Gen3 looks "whiter". Pictures look great on both. I'm no expert - this is just my impressions/feelings. Nothing scientific <g>.

11-11-2007, 02:45 PM	#45
wallcraft reader Posts: 6,977 Karma: 5183568 Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Mississippi, USA Device: Kindle 3, Kobo Glo HD	If this is like an earlier 16-level version, it will only show 15 levels on the iLiad - presumably because one of the near-white levels is different in its table than in this image. I found that a continuous grey shade image (from a post by IceHand) provided a better indication of the available gray levels.