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Get two or three engineers or scientists together (like at a diner) and don't be surprised if they start talking shop and start using napkins to jot down notes are do thumbnail calculations. Shoot, as a SF writer, I would expect you would do it from time to time as well when you get an idea for a story and want to see if it is practical or not (Though, I don't know if you write hard SF or softer stuff). Quote:
In any case, the fact that there is a lot of waste now in the process of making paper does not necessarily mean that the process cannot be made greener. Besides, as others have pointed out many electronic devices are hardly environmentally friendly either. We know that a fair number of electronic devices end up in land fills... and I bet one battery is worse for the environment sitting in a land fill than several hundred pounds of paper. Quote:
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09-28-2010, 02:53 PM | #32 |
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"My point is, you generally don't need to carry paper around with you. You can usually find some sort of paper when you need something to write on. I.e., the notion of the napkin in the diner. In contrast, a device, you either have it with you, or you don't; if you don't have it, you can't use it."
Are ebook readers going to replace post it notes, hmmm not this decade. No one is saying that an ebook reader is going to make all paper obsolete. When you try to make that point your just confusing the issue. What I have not yet figured out is why your trying to do that. But it really doesn't matter in the long term. Are ebooks and readers going to replace the mass market paperback market of which 60% are wasted without being read? Yep, and quicker than you might think too. I think the majority of us see that the end is nearing for paper distribution of books. Mass market paperbacks will in my opinion be the first to go. But there is a huge difference between paperbacks and post it notes, or even printer paper for that matter. No one that I know of is saying that paper as paper is going to disappear off the face of the earth this decade. BTW no one has any real idea what kind of device could come out in the next 6 - 8 years that truly could do away with paper. Who knows it could be all voice recognition or directly picking up brain waves both in and out. It might write notes, keep your calendar, watch your diet, make your phone calls, let you read your books and send all your data to some corporation for determining the best advertising campaign. Look back at what innovation has occurred in the last 10 years, then project that forward 10 years. Paper will go the way of the dinosaur, just a question of when. Last edited by GhostHawk; 09-28-2010 at 02:59 PM. |
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Well, actually it was the first one that brought a smile to my face. Thanks for adding a little humor to the discussion. My office experience was that computers did increase the need for copy paper but it was more than offset by the reduction in multiple preprinted forms we kept in the office. Paper will be with us for a long time but we will use less of it as time goes by . Just think of the number of people who no longer get a daily paper and those who subscribe to magazines online.
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One piece of the paperless revolution that is often overlooked is in document storage. Electronic storage of documents overcomes the need for warehouses full of file cabinets.
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It sounds like the iPad suits your needs, It does not suit mine and does not match the level of stylus support I currently get from a tablet PC or slate. My question about the suitability of an iPad in an Enterprise IT environment stands. I have used a tablet pc in a work environment and in government related work as a replacement for a paper notebook, I can't say I would be confident using an iPad in the same way. |
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I communicate with friends via e-mail (with one exception; she's 75 and doesn't have the technology for e-mail). I very rarely generate paper; most of the paper I deal with comes from others and I digitize most of it before the pile becomes too deep or I need to clear my desk for something. I have as many statements as possible accessed online instead of sent as paper. Still, a small 4 1/" x 3 1/4" composition notebook, a couple of pens, and a small audio recorder take up less room in my purse and are a lot easier to use for quick notes than anything else I've seen. I can safely use the audio recorder while driving since I can operate it one handed without taking my eyes off the road by thumbing one switch, something I wouldn't be able to do with my cell phone (it also has an audio recorder but it is buried in a couple layers of menu). It runs on AA batteries, which I carry several of for spares; I run down my cell phone, that is all she wrote. Sadly, I'm still pretty much locked into dealing with paperbooks. Used p-books are much cheaper than e-books (when was the last time anyone bought a "used" e-book). Finding e-books of recent releases without DRM is pretty much impossible. I refuse to support DRM by buying e-books with it. Sure, I could buy them and strip the DRM, but I resent being forced to break the law and refuse do it. As long it is makes more economic sense, I'll continue to buy p-books and scan them. |
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I have managed to get rid of a lot of paper around the house - scanning any documents my tax agent needs, using netbooks and having some older computers left in kitchen etc to look up recipes and so on. The one usage I would like is an ereader for music. If I want to practice something I can display it on a computer screen, but to take out on a job and play live it is very difficult. Would need to be A4 size and also run with a foot switch to turn pages. Also a way of going back to repeat marks and showing what is coming next unless there are a few bars rest at a page turn. I won't go into all the technical difficulties but it is not like reading a book!
The other thing I still use paper for is a diary - I just cant find a device that works as well and efficiently as a paper diary (one with loose pages that can be replaced). My husband has a Blackberry and he has to keep asking me about dates as he either (1) puts the diary note on the wrong day, (2) can't be bothered having to fill out all the info for each appointment so doesn't know what he has input (!!!). The old paper diary allows sticky notes, paperclips, extra pages to write down information I might need etc etc. Apart from that I never do much actual pen/pencil + paper writing, I take lecture notes at university on a netbook, do most other things online like banking and other financial transactions. |
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I've watched my brother perform on stage for 40 years. It's his real job, and the only job he's ever had. It still amazes me to see him do that night after night; and that after spending all day on the phone and on the road booking gigs.
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