Would you delete a copy of the Koran? - Page 20

HarryT · 09-25-2010, 12:47 PM

I have now, and I've never come across the term used in that way before. Perhaps it's an American usage?

Logseman · 09-25-2010, 12:53 PM

Mao coined his own Three Worlds Theory too:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Worlds_Theory

ardeegee · 09-25-2010, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pras2

Harry you are ignorant of the history of the region largely because you weren't born there and you make assumptions on your limited historical understanding. What you are saying is correct only to a very small extent because:

Uh, HarryT? Is it time to look at IPs again?

ardeegee · 09-25-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

I have now, and I've never come across the term used in that way before. Perhaps it's an American usage?

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...TF-8&scoring=a

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JSWolf · 09-25-2010, 01:34 PM

If I had a copy of the Koran on my reader, I would delete it. Why would I do that? I would do that because I'd never read it. It has nothing to do with any other reason then someone else would have had to have put it on and because I do not plan on reading it, no reason for it to be there.

Alexander Turcic · 09-25-2010, 05:36 PM

There are a few individuals who like to pollute the discussion with racist remarks that are completely unacceptable with our guidelines. We're looking into this.

In the meantime we've closed the thread. I will keep you updated.

Alexander Turcic · 09-26-2010, 05:34 AM

Thread reopened.

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kindlekitten · 09-26-2010, 09:05 AM

thanks guys!

TGS · 09-26-2010, 10:06 AM

So, I guess the question comes down to this; when an object has some special meaning for one group people because of their beliefs, and as a result of which that group of people treat the object in a special way, is there any requirement on people who do not share those beliefs to treat the object in the same way?

GeoffC · 09-26-2010, 10:19 AM

why not - it's a matter of respect.

tompe · 09-26-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TGS

So, I guess the question comes down to this; when an object has some special meaning for one group people because of their beliefs, and as a result of which that group of people treat the object in a special way, is there any requirement on people who do not share those beliefs to treat the object in the same way?

Formulated this way it is trivial that there could be no requirement. If a group think it is wrong to drive a car since all car objects are special the group you cannot be required to respect that and stop driving cars.

Personally I feel that it is not showing respect to respect crazy beliefs that people have. You show respect by telling them what you think about it and by not adapting your behaviour.

GeoffC · 09-26-2010, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Formulated this way it is trivial that there could be no requirement. If a group think it is wrong to drive a car since all car objects are special the group you cannot be required to respect that and stop driving cars.

Personally I feel that it is not showing respect to respect crazy beliefs that people have.You show respect by telling them what you think about it and by not adapting your behaviour.

What is wrong with people having "crazy beliefs" - if it keeps them happy, as long as it does no harm to others whilst expecting that they have no rights to indoctrinate their view onto those who have no interest.

FlorenceArt · 09-26-2010, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

why not - it's a matter of respect.

Yes, but how far do you have to go to show respect toward a belief you don't share? And how do you choose which beliefs you should respect openly and which you can ignore? Naturally, many of the beliefs we may inadvertently hurt are unknown to us. So the beliefs that we will "choose" to respect will inevitably be the ones that belong to people who are close to us... or who are especially vocal in voicing them, and even occasionally threatening.

Everybody knows that cows are sacred in India, and yet we kill cows every day. Where is our respect for the Hindu religion? (Em, I do hope it's the Hindu religion that hold cows are sacred, if not, my apologies to all concerned

).

GeoffC · 09-26-2010, 11:05 AM

When in India, respect their cows .... what we do in 'our world' matters not.

If someone holds a belief that is not one's own, then accept and ignore it; why feel the need to change them? (unless it's an issue detrimental to health (for example).

tompe · 09-26-2010, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

What is wrong with people having "crazy beliefs" - if it keeps them happy, as long as it does no harm to others whilst expecting that they have no rights to indoctrinate their view onto those who have no interest.

Nothing. But it is not showing respect to lie (direct or by omission or by letting your actions indicate something you do not believe) about your opinion about the belief.

Also, if people believe things that destroys their life you can argue that society should interfere. One example are cults.

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TGS Country Member Posts: 9,058 Karma: 7676767 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denmark Device: Liseuse: Irex DR800. PRS 505 in the house, and the missus has an iPad.	So, I guess the question comes down to this; when an object has some special meaning for one group people because of their beliefs, and as a result of which that group of people treat the object in a special way, is there any requirement on people who do not share those beliefs to treat the object in the same way?

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GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	When in India, respect their cows .... what we do in 'our world' matters not. If someone holds a belief that is not one's own, then accept and ignore it; why feel the need to change them? (unless it's an issue detrimental to health (for example).