Texas Board of Education at it again Banning textbooks

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by GA Russell

I wasn't aware of that, Harry. Do you know which book says that?

(Deut. 21:18-21 KJG)
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

I know of nothing about selling a sister. Perhaps Harry was thinking of the practice of selling daughters.

(Exod. 21:7-11 KJG)
7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

Notice that the daughter has no choice in the matter.

EDIT: Posted be for reading Harry's post no. 161.

[GlennD]

Originally Posted by Graham

Except that, apparently, that wasn't actually the case:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/se...n_Brief_LH.pdf

Graham

It's debatable. The MSNBC article answers a couple of the issues but there are tons more in the original resolution.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

I know of nothing about selling a sister. Perhaps Harry was thinking of the practice of selling daughters.

Yes, as I said in post #161 above, I had mistaken sisters for daughters. You got pretty much the same quotes that I did .

[Graham]

Originally Posted by GlennD

It's debatable. The MSNBC article answers a couple of the issues but there are tons more in the original resolution.

Exactly, it's debatable, which suggests that the phrase "chronic partiality" to [Islam] in the resolution might be a little off the mark.

Graham

[Corpbob]

I've had one question, will the SAT/ACT Tests have to be changed for the State of Texas? LOL

[kennyc]

Very good question I think.

[nguirado]

Originally Posted by HarryT

What do you mean by "liberal", nguirado? I'm always a little confused when I see it appear to be used in American politics almost as though it were an insult. Here in Europe, liberal parties generally espouse moderate left-of-centre policies, somewhere between left-wing labour, and right-wing conservative parties. But schools here aren't in the business of instilling any particular political agenda.

There are two narratives in American history, both with part of the truth.

The liberal narrative, the ones my 3 kids get in public school, is that American history is essentially the progress the non-powerful have made towards inclusion. It's essentially Marxism (Marxism is a way of looking at history- don't get bent out of shape.), with group against group- the dialectic. The struggle moves from group to group until some kind of final justice, I guess.

The conservative narrative might emphasize the accomplishments of the US. The railroads, businesses, exploration, successful wars, and yes, the country where the most diverse people got along best (except for blacks which really was de jure and de facto injustice).

So, Texas had to decide whether to talk about Daniel Boone (or one of those frontier guys) or Cesar Chavez. One is an explorer and expander and the other is a share the wealth guy. The funny thing is that without the Daniel Boone's Cesar Chavez wouldn't be fighting for his rights in American California (or anybody anywhere else on this continent), but nobody thinks about that.

That's what I mean. I'm aware enough to supplement my kids education with some of the conservative narrative. Most parents, especially in heavily Hispanic areas (l'm Hispanic too) are not.

[nguirado]

Let me put it another way:

The conservative would celebrate the first American on the moon and the liberal would celebrate the first Chicana in space.

[WT Sharpe]

Originally Posted by HarryT

What do you mean by "liberal", nguirado? I'm always a little confused when I see it appear to be used in American politics almost as though it were an insult. Here in Europe, liberal parties generally espouse moderate left-of-centre policies, somewhere between left-wing labour, and right-wing conservative parties. But schools here aren't in the business of instilling any particular political agenda.

Sharpe's Law
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...Law#post889200

[SameOldStory]

Would a European liberal celebrate the first Roma in space?

Or perhaps push them out into space?

[Donnageddon]

Myself, I am a Laikatian, and celebrate the first mammal in space.

History books are rarely written with a Laikatian perspective, which is a dog gone shame.

[nguirado]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

Sharpe's Law
https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...Law#post889200

The thread started out as an insult to conservatives. I guess conservatives shouldn't reply.

By the way, if a person goes to certain schools, works in certain places, and digests certain media, they could very well never hear a conservative opinion articulated by an actual conservative (and not an interpretation by a liberal) in their life.

I'd rephrase Sharpe's law:

The odds of a discussion on politics where the two opposing groups are called "liberals" and "conservatives," and both groups participate leading to one side pointing out the deficiencies of the other is 100%.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by nguirado

By the way, if a person goes to certain schools, works in certain places, and digests certain media, they could very well never hear a conservative opinion articulated by an actual conservative (and not an interpretation by a liberal) in their life.

Yes, one can dream, can't one?

[nguirado]

Originally Posted by SameOldStory

Would a European liberal celebrate the first Roma in space?

Or perhaps push them out into space?

Yes. Leftists tend to celebrate the accomplishments of those whom they classify as "oppressed." If they consider Roma oppressed, then they're the good guys.

You can see this everywhere. The middle east, etc. It can lead to absurdity like when Hollywood directors, tenured academics, and trust fund babies demonstrate their solidarity with the oppressed by making fun of the middle class and conservative/religious poor people.

It usually as simple as that. It can get complicated, however. I'll stop here so as not to stir up trouble.

[Donnageddon]

Originally Posted by nguirado

By the way, if a person goes to certain schools, works in certain places, and digests certain media, they could very well never hear a conservative opinion articulated by an actual conservative (and not an interpretation by a liberal) in their life.

Are these theoretical people outside of the range of AM radio?