Classic Nook 2 Predictions

[boswd]

Originally Posted by detayls

So your argument is that the Nook is "cool". No mention of the actual reading experience.

Tell me. Have you swapped readers and actually tried the Kindle 3? I think if you did actually read a book with the Kindle you would appreciate it more.

for clarification he has the kindle 2 and yes he actually let me read a small novella on his when I was back in my 'I will never buy an ereader" stage.

It's eink I'm sure i would enjoy the K3 reading as well, but it's no different than reading on my Nook. The reading experience on my Nook is outstanding.

My point is the both are eink and what separated the two was the nook has a more "NOW" feel to it especially compared to the kindle. I'm sorry when this is your 3rd crack at it and you are still navigating around like it was 1990 in this day and age of technology( seriously tv's are 3D now and you navigate around with a directional arrows or a stubby joystick? Really?) then you brought nothing new to game. Sony and Nook have at least brought some modern technology.

And to the mass public it is a difference. that was my point. And yes the Nook is "cooler"

[boswd]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Actually, it's Micro-B.

micro mini whatever that wasn't the point, the point is its not proprietory and you can pick up longer ones if needed.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by boswd

micro mini whatever that wasn't the point, the point is its not proprietory and you can pick up longer ones if needed.

Except if someone went to the store and bought a Mini-B USB cable, it wouldn't work.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Except if someone went to the store and bought a Mini-B USB cable, it wouldn't work.

point taken

[eGeezer]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Except if someone went to the store and bought a Mini-B USB cable, it wouldn't work.

If they can't figure out what the connector is called, I bet any smart person would just take the reader with them and ask someone to help them.

Even I would.

[SpiderMatt]

Originally Posted by detayls

Have either of you actually held a Kindle 3 in your own hot little hand?

It's basically a thin plastic case containing a battery, a screen and very simple keyboard, a tiny logic memory board and a couple of switches. The cost of goods and labor must be well south of $99.

By comparison the Nook is much larger and heavier plastic case with a sheet metal interior, a removable battery, a connector for an unneeded card, a small logic board and a fairly large LCD and lots of connectors ans switches.

The parts cost alone is over $100 with labor it will be unlikely that the $149 is covered.

The Nook has two fabulous advantages: ePub and bricks-and-mortar stores. Their support is vastly inferior to Amazons so their costs need to be re-directed from the reader itself.

I would bet actual money that they will introduce a "lite" version that will soon replace the current hardware. They don't really have a choice.

Actually, Bezos has suggested that Amazon takes a loss on the Kindle and that wouldn't surprise me. Amazon wants to maintain market dominance and Bezos knows that will only happen (at least in this economy) by having the best price amongst its main competitors (Kobo is such a neutered device that I don't think it really counts). Most of the cost comes from the eink screens, which are apparently really expensive. I wouldn't underestimate the costs of building these devices.

[SpiderMatt]

Originally Posted by boswd

My point is the both are eink and what separated the two was the nook has a more "NOW" feel to it especially compared to the kindle. I'm sorry when this is your 3rd crack at it and you are still navigating around like it was 1990 in this day and age of technology( seriously tv's are 3D now and you navigate around with a directional arrows or a stubby joystick? Really?) then you brought nothing new to game. Sony and Nook have at least brought some modern technology.

And to the mass public it is a difference. that was my point. And yes the Nook is "cooler"

Once again, buttons are still standard on many devices. I'm not really sure what your point is here. Amazon has (correctly, in my opinion) decided that physical buttons are more practical for eink devices right now. I think if you compare (which I've done in B&N stores), you'll find that navigating within a book and getting definitions is faster on a Kindle. You obviously prefer navigating on a color touch screen over speed, but not everyone feels the same as you. Deriding the Kindle as a device that feels like it's from 1990 is not only wildly inaccurate (seriously, can you remember 1990?--electronics were not as slick as the Kindle back then) but also greatly underscores the utility of tactile buttons. The fact is that having a "'NOW' feel" is completely subjective and undefinable, as there are many things that could mean. To you that means having a touch screen on your ebook reader. Great. Good for you. But don't put down the Kindle because Amazon had a different aim in the make of its device. I think you've gotten too caught up in the look of a device and have not focused enough on how it operates.

[sun surfer]

Originally Posted by SpiderMatt

Once again, buttons are still standard on many devices. I'm not really sure what your point is here. Amazon has (correctly, in my opinion) decided that physical buttons are more practical for eink devices right now. I think if you compare (which I've done in B&N stores), you'll find that navigating within a book and getting definitions is faster on a Kindle. You obviously prefer navigating on a color touch screen over speed, but not everyone feels the same as you. Deriding the Kindle as a device that feels like it's from 1990 is not only wildly inaccurate (seriously, can you remember 1990?--electronics were not as slick as the Kindle back then) but also greatly underscores the utility of tactile buttons. The fact is that having a "'NOW' feel" is completely subjective and undefinable, as there are many things that could mean. To you that means having a touch screen on your ebook reader. Great. Good for you. But don't put down the Kindle because Amazon had a different aim in the make of its device. I think you've gotten too caught up in the look of a device and have not focused enough on how it operates.

I speak for myself only, but I don't think that's generally true. I think the LCD screen is an under-marketed advantage. I believe, after learning about all this the last few months, that the only reason most people are OK with the keyboard is that Kindle was first before the nook, Kindle marketed way better than any other and Kindle continues their marketing dominance. So, it's kind of a compliance thing at this point - it's what most people have gotten used to.

I imagine that if the situation were reversed - that Kindle always had the LCD and B&N came out with the keyboard version, many people's opinions on this would be COMPLETELY different. B&N would probably be derided in reviews and on forums as almost antiquated. But since the Kindle came out first and got the large market share and updates the rest of itself fast (Pearl screen, etc.), people got used to the old keyboard and joystick thing and started wanting to defend it.

I'm not saying that's what the posters in this thread are thinking or doing. That's just the general impression I get on these forums watching many Kindle owners defend the keyboard.

[tubemonkey]

My take is that the keyboard and LCD panel should both disappear. They're needless gimmicks.

[SeaReader]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

My take is that the keyboard and LCD panel should both disappear. They're needless gimmicks.

What would the replacement input device be?

Just me, but I prefer a touch screen for inputting data (and swiping for page change) and the e-ink for reading. Current setup works quite well IMHO. Don't really want a real keyboard nor pressing buttons for changing pages.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by SeaReader

What would the replacement input device be?

Just me, but I prefer a touch screen for inputting data (and swiping for page change) and the e-ink for reading. Current setup works quite well IMHO. Don't really want a real keyboard nor pressing buttons for changing pages.

D-pad and buttons.

[eGeezer]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

My take is that the keyboard and LCD panel should both disappear. They're needless gimmicks.

Yeah, but the LCD panel has the advantage of being a COOL needless gimmick.

[eGeezer]

Originally Posted by SeaReader

What would the replacement input device be?

Just me, but I prefer a touch screen for inputting data (and swiping for page change) and the e-ink for reading. Current setup works quite well IMHO. Don't really want a real keyboard nor pressing buttons for changing pages.

Obviously -- voice-recognition software. duh.

[SeaReader]

Originally Posted by eGeezer

Obviously -- voice-recognition software. duh.

That's actually pretty close to being available for many things. Droids and other smart phones have quite good voice search and other voice input to tell the software what you want done. Maybe we'll be saying "page" pretty soon to turn the page on our e-readers.

[eGeezer]

Wouldn't that just drive everyone around you nuts.