The best Bible for your Kindle - Page 8

Davimee · 09-11-2010, 05:20 PM

Hi Osnova,

I don't have a Kindle, and I've never really been interested in one. I'm very happy with my Pocket Pro. However, I've been keeping up with this thread, and I've gotta say with the release of the new Kindle and your NET DVJ, I am really wishing I had a Kindle!

Unfortunately I don't have an extra $139 laying around, so I'll have to be content with my Pocket Pro. Oh... one thing I should ask... is there DRM on the Bibles you've done? Like, could a person buy them from Amazon, then convert them with Calibre? Or do they have Amazon's DRM? Also, have you thought about making epub versions? I don't know if it would work with the Pocket Pro though, even if it was in epub... especially with all the notes. If they're hyperlinked, anyway. I've noticed hyperlinks tend to lock up my pocket Pro. I bought Zondervan's NIV and the table of contents is just hyperlinks, and whenever I tried using it it locked up and I had to reset my Pocket Pro. So maybe it wouldn't work. It's just a thought, anyway.

Thanks.

sirmaru · 09-11-2010, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davimee

Hi Osnova,

I don't have a Kindle, and I've never really been interested in one. I'm very happy with my Pocket Pro. However, I've been keeping up with this thread, and I've gotta say with the release of the new Kindle and your NET DVJ, I am really wishing I had a Kindle!

Unfortunately I don't have an extra $139 laying around, so I'll have to be content with my Pocket Pro.

The NowBible also has DVJ but not by Osnova. You can buy any version you want on it and it has dramatized voices. Unfortunately, it costs about the same as the Kindle WiFi LG 3.

All the Kindle Bibles have DRM on them and cannot be copied. However, Kindle saves all highlights and note in a Clippings file which can be copied to a PC and then used wherever you want.

osnova · 09-14-2010, 09:02 PM

Heroking, the "1 Galatians" problem was fixed a while back. Please send me a PM with your email address, and I'll send you an updated version.

ninjabunny, I had the same idea as you (mt.22.1 = mtww.q) when I just started working on DVJ. I discarded it for two reasons: (i) not self-evident (people have to memorize correspondence between letters and numbers – try using Kindle 3); (ii) would not be compatible with software Kindles (hopefully, Amazon will fix them one day) and future products.

HarryT, the period was chosen because it is available on the hardware keyboard without pressing special keys. Maybe letter “x” will work for people. However, sirmaru (possibly others), is so happy with the new way DVJ works that I may just leave it.

Davimee, my publications do not have DRM. Unfortunately, DVJ is not very useable on readers that do not have physical keyboard (I tried PRS-600). So, I decided that I will not be releasing Bible publications for such readers because I do not have anything new to contribute.

osnova · 09-16-2010, 10:46 PM

For a limited time, the price for my paragraphed edition of KJV with the Direct Verse Jump has been reduced to $1.99:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030T1DPY

The price for the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible with DVJ has been temporarily reduced to $2.39:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0033PSG1Y

Note:

The DVJ works differently on K3 but some people prefer the new way. You just type "jn316" (without periods), press enter once, and select the right passage choice.

leo4jc · 09-18-2010, 03:35 AM

I think the letter-for-number scheme (mt.22.1 = mtww.q) makes a lot of sense for one hand operation. After all, people are already memorizing the QWERTY-12345 correspondence. We all want to go to the verse as quick as possible so the less fumbling with shift/alt keys the better. I also like the idea of 'x' in place of '.' in order to go to a verse without selection. (Still fond of the MyBible on Palm days, so easy to go to the verse precisely).

Is it possible to have two sets of seachable indices, the first being "mt.22.1" (for pre K3 and people who are okay with multiple match), the second being "mtxwwxq" (for power users), so that either string will go to Matthew 22:1?

Keep up the good work!! Just got my K3 for a couple days, just got the ESV study Bible but the navigation is not that good, IMHO.

Heroking · 09-20-2010, 10:11 AM

Dear Osnova,

Thanks for the information. I just connected the wireless today and the update to correct the "1 Galatian" was effected on my Kindle Bible.

Thanks for the prompt respse.

osnova · 09-21-2010, 04:07 PM

Heroking, you are welcome.

leo4jc, I think I'll create a mtww.q version for those who want it. Unfortunately, it can't be done as a second index in the same Bible. Once done, I'll post here, I will send it for free to those who have purchase one of my Bible editions.

sirmaru · 09-21-2010, 07:57 PM

Osnova,

We really need your DVJ in the One Year NLT Bible. They have it separated by days of reading and its really hard to get to any verses directly that way if needed.

Due to its construction, maybe DVJ may not work there.

osnova · 09-25-2010, 08:33 PM

sirmaru, I would but there is this pesky problem of copyright

leo4jc · 09-29-2010, 03:34 PM

Hi osnova,

Have you contacted the following two publishers regarding working with them to add DVJ on their Kindle Bibles?

(1) The Lockman Foundation - NASB
Contact: http://www.lockman.org/mail/index.php.

(2) B&H Publishing Group - HCSB
Contact: http://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/contact.asp

Thank you!
leo.

sirmaru · 09-29-2010, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by osnova

sirmaru, I would but there is this pesky problem of copyright

Have the NIV folks at Zondervan ever reached an agreement with you? That used to be my favorite but without DVJ it is useless as an eBible.

I'll just settle now with KJV (DVJ), NET (DVJ) and One Year NLT (daily passages without DVJ).

osnova · 10-01-2010, 12:41 AM

leo4jc, I thought I did contact them but now I checked my correspondence on this and it seems I have omitted them. I'll do it one of these days.

sirmaru, I've sent multiple reminders and received a couple of receipt acknowledgments but they seem to be not interested but do not want to outright say no.

leo4jc · 10-01-2010, 12:51 PM

Thank you so much osnova. I understand things could be slow dealing with big publishers, especially when they are not tech savvy (What? We already have a Kindle Bible out there! You can just use TOC and click chapter!) I also have a previous contact at H&B should you need them.

Does the kindle format allow two columns? I am thinking about bilingual Bibles side-by-side. That will make my best Bible.

For the longest time I couldn't have my NASB/Chinese Union Version together on paper, it could be a dream come true on Kindle. (I know iPad is possible now with apps. And it is possible on my Palm too.)

Regards,
leo.

osnova · 10-02-2010, 09:55 PM

leo4jc, send me a PM with the contact at H&B (and if your name carries weight with them let me know if I can mention you).

The Kindle format is very basic so far, no columns, no page footers or headers. I have been thinking about verse under verse structure. So, in your case it would be English and then under that Chinese. I could format different languages with different colors, etc.

osnova · 10-02-2010, 10:01 PM

As people have been asking, I have almost converted the KJV Bible to all-letter DVJ with letters instead of numbers and 'x' instead of the period. The only question I have left is whether I should convert the book number to: (i) the corresponding letter (1jn -> qjn) or (ii) the Roman numbers/letters (1jn -> ijn)? Which approach is less confusing?

I am still not sure if this is such a good idea though. For example, ex.39.42 will be exxeoxrw . Is that what we want?

Numbers converted to letters:

1q
2w
3e
4r
5t
6y
7u
8i
9o
0p

09-16-2010, 10:46 PM	#109
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	For a limited time, the price for my paragraphed edition of KJV with the Direct Verse Jump has been reduced to $1.99: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0030T1DPY The price for the Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible with DVJ has been temporarily reduced to $2.39: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0033PSG1Y Note: The DVJ works differently on K3 but some people prefer the new way. You just type "jn316" (without periods), press enter once, and select the right passage choice. Last edited by osnova; 09-16-2010 at 10:54 PM.

09-21-2010, 07:57 PM	#113
sirmaru Wizard Posts: 2,426 Karma: 6561538 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: Kindle PW 2013, HDX 2013, Galaxy S5 2014	One Year Bible NLT Osnova, We really need your DVJ in the One Year NLT Bible. They have it separated by days of reading and its really hard to get to any verses directly that way if needed. Due to its construction, maybe DVJ may not work there.

09-29-2010, 03:34 PM	#115
leo4jc Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3	NASB / HCSB Hi osnova, Have you contacted the following two publishers regarding working with them to add DVJ on their Kindle Bibles? (1) The Lockman Foundation - NASB Contact: http://www.lockman.org/mail/index.php. (2) B&H Publishing Group - HCSB Contact: http://www.bhpublishinggroup.com/contact.asp Thank you! leo.

10-02-2010, 10:01 PM	#120
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	As people have been asking, I have almost converted the KJV Bible to all-letter DVJ with letters instead of numbers and 'x' instead of the period. The only question I have left is whether I should convert the book number to: (i) the corresponding letter (1jn -> qjn) or (ii) the Roman numbers/letters (1jn -> ijn)? Which approach is less confusing? I am still not sure if this is such a good idea though. For example, ex.39.42 will be exxeoxrw . Is that what we want? Numbers converted to letters: 1q 2w 3e 4r 5t 6y 7u 8i 9o 0p Last edited by osnova; 10-02-2010 at 10:05 PM.

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09-11-2010, 05:20 PM	#106
Davimee Happy Wife & Momma Posts: 532 Karma: 1634 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Device: Purple Astak Pocket Pro! :)	Hi Osnova, I don't have a Kindle, and I've never really been interested in one. I'm very happy with my Pocket Pro. However, I've been keeping up with this thread, and I've gotta say with the release of the new Kindle and your NET DVJ, I am really wishing I had a Kindle! Unfortunately I don't have an extra $139 laying around, so I'll have to be content with my Pocket Pro. Oh... one thing I should ask... is there DRM on the Bibles you've done? Like, could a person buy them from Amazon, then convert them with Calibre? Or do they have Amazon's DRM? Also, have you thought about making epub versions? I don't know if it would work with the Pocket Pro though, even if it was in epub... especially with all the notes. If they're hyperlinked, anyway. I've noticed hyperlinks tend to lock up my pocket Pro. I bought Zondervan's NIV and the table of contents is just hyperlinks, and whenever I tried using it it locked up and I had to reset my Pocket Pro. So maybe it wouldn't work. It's just a thought, anyway. Thanks.

09-14-2010, 09:02 PM	#108
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Heroking, the "1 Galatians" problem was fixed a while back. Please send me a PM with your email address, and I'll send you an updated version. ninjabunny, I had the same idea as you (mt.22.1 = mtww.q) when I just started working on DVJ. I discarded it for two reasons: (i) not self-evident (people have to memorize correspondence between letters and numbers – try using Kindle 3); (ii) would not be compatible with software Kindles (hopefully, Amazon will fix them one day) and future products. HarryT, the period was chosen because it is available on the hardware keyboard without pressing special keys. Maybe letter “x” will work for people. However, sirmaru (possibly others), is so happy with the new way DVJ works that I may just leave it. Davimee, my publications do not have DRM. Unfortunately, DVJ is not very useable on readers that do not have physical keyboard (I tried PRS-600). So, I decided that I will not be releasing Bible publications for such readers because I do not have anything new to contribute.

09-18-2010, 03:35 AM	#110
leo4jc Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3	I think the letter-for-number scheme (mt.22.1 = mtww.q) makes a lot of sense for one hand operation. After all, people are already memorizing the QWERTY-12345 correspondence. We all want to go to the verse as quick as possible so the less fumbling with shift/alt keys the better. I also like the idea of 'x' in place of '.' in order to go to a verse without selection. (Still fond of the MyBible on Palm days, so easy to go to the verse precisely). Is it possible to have two sets of seachable indices, the first being "mt.22.1" (for pre K3 and people who are okay with multiple match), the second being "mtxwwxq" (for power users), so that either string will go to Matthew 22:1? Keep up the good work!! Just got my K3 for a couple days, just got the ESV study Bible but the navigation is not that good, IMHO.

09-20-2010, 10:11 AM	#111
Heroking Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2010 Device: Kindle DX	Dear Osnova, Thanks for the information. I just connected the wireless today and the update to correct the "1 Galatian" was effected on my Kindle Bible. Thanks for the prompt respse.

09-21-2010, 04:07 PM	#112
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	Heroking, you are welcome. leo4jc, I think I'll create a mtww.q version for those who want it. Unfortunately, it can't be done as a second index in the same Bible. Once done, I'll post here, I will send it for free to those who have purchase one of my Bible editions.

09-25-2010, 08:33 PM	#114
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	sirmaru, I would but there is this pesky problem of copyright

10-01-2010, 12:41 AM	#117
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	leo4jc, I thought I did contact them but now I checked my correspondence on this and it seems I have omitted them. I'll do it one of these days. sirmaru, I've sent multiple reminders and received a couple of receipt acknowledgments but they seem to be not interested but do not want to outright say no.

10-01-2010, 12:51 PM	#118
leo4jc Junior Member Posts: 9 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kindle 3	Thank you so much osnova. I understand things could be slow dealing with big publishers, especially when they are not tech savvy (What? We already have a Kindle Bible out there! You can just use TOC and click chapter!) I also have a previous contact at H&B should you need them. Does the kindle format allow two columns? I am thinking about bilingual Bibles side-by-side. That will make my best Bible. For the longest time I couldn't have my NASB/Chinese Union Version together on paper, it could be a dream come true on Kindle. (I know iPad is possible now with apps. And it is possible on my Palm too.) Regards, leo.

10-02-2010, 09:55 PM	#119
osnova Kindler of the Flame Posts: 582 Karma: 646016 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: US of A Device: K DX,3,KT,KP,KF, KFHD; Nook C, PRS600, iPad, Xoom, N900, N810, Zaurus	leo4jc, send me a PM with the contact at H&B (and if your name carries weight with them let me know if I can mention you). The Kindle format is very basic so far, no columns, no page footers or headers. I have been thinking about verse under verse structure. So, in your case it would be English and then under that Chinese. I could format different languages with different colors, etc.