Atheist zealots a heavy cross to bear

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Are you under the mistaken impression that I worship the same god you do? YHVH creeps me out.



I don't think Lady Gaga is worshipped, except as a matter of hyperbole. (Although it's not unlikely that she's been sainted by some Discordian cabals. But they canonize new saints every week, so that's not much of a claim.) Also, she can't be an "idol" because she's a living person; she could (hypothetically) be an avatar.



HAIL ERIS; indeed do many things come to pass.
What evidence do you have that any of these things are inspired by Satan?



There are more alternatives than that. But I don't know that alternatives are needed; I tend to get along with Satanists much better than with most Christians. Satanists are rational.

Now you've hinted to Satan that you're interested, hes going to come into your life.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

But if a theist claims to believe in a god who speaks to everybody, and I haven't been spoken to by such a being - doesn't that mean they are just wrong?
Although proving it to them on the basis of anecdotal truth is awkward, they are still wrong in what they claim.

Incorrect.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

You certainly have proven my statement in post #11:

"But the overwhelming majority of the religious people chomping at the bit to "debate" and "disprove" evolution and other non-theistic things are pig-ignorant nitwits or slimebag liars or both. Atheists gain their bitterness (if it is there) not from debating with erudite philosophers-- they get if from dealing with hillbillies who say "I ain't come from no monkey, I dun come from Adam and Eve (not Adam and Steve) and they ain't dun bin no big bang an' you gonna die an' burn in hell fur'ever if you don't dun bin turnin' to Jeeeeeeeesus, who diiied foooor yoooouah seeeeens!" It comes from listening to people who couldn't distinguish a quark from a quasar if their lives literally depended on it who come up and tell you how they know more than "all dem gooodles syentyst" and then start quoting the same idiotic creationst talking points that all ignorant sheep get from their ignorant shepards and the wolves that prey on them."

The main problem with you is that you're full a hate... And it comes through in all your messages..

Whether you call it God or not, practice some forgiveness of those who you at first don't perceive to match your mental statement.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

I sense some real anger there.... Note I didn't set out to disprove evolution. I just want to show how atheists like yourself are full of rage and spite. Scornful of others and unable to hold a decent conversation. I think this thread shows thats partially true.

Here-- this is you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

You certainly have proven my statement in post #11:

"But the overwhelming majority of the religious people chomping at the bit to "debate" and "disprove" evolution and other non-theistic things are pig-ignorant nitwits or slimebag liars or both."

Point of contention, here: it's not "religious people" who have problems with evolution. It's specific sects of Christianity. (My religion has no problems with evolution and considers it a form of divine guidance of life on earth.) Although I grant that the ones who seek out discussions of evolution with an eye to 'disproving' anything tend to be ill-informed, hypocritical, and deliberately antagonistic.

The issue they have isn't with the idea of evolution per se, but with the blasphemous notion that it's not over. Many Christians will agree that the creation myth in Genesis roughly equates to evolutionary stages -- ocean first, then crawling things, then bigger animals, and then mankind, which wound up with a kind of sentience that other animals don't have (as far as we can confirm). The clash between Christianity and evolution isn't with the gradual shifting of shapes (except for the 6000-year crowd, which is a pretty small group these days; most Christians are content for those "six days" to be "six god-days, which could be millions of years each"); it's with the fact that evolution says it's still happening. Animals are still changing. Mankind is still changing.

The Christian doctrine is that, after those six days (whether they are 24-hour days or billion-year days), YHVH *rested*, called it *done,* and the process stopped.

This is important only in dealing with non-Christian religious people who have no problems with evolution; a lot of people forget that the concept "evolution" is not incompatible with the concept of "gods."

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Here-- this is you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

What I preach is obviously exactly what you hate, but its useful for you because in your responses to me you can see just where you're going wrong. Just read your posts if you can get past calling me names for one second.

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by WT Sharpe

I hate to nit-pick here, Harry, but although your contention about the teaching of the Bible is correct as concerns slavery; the actual authorship of both Ephesians and Colossians are disputed by modern Bible scholars. About half of them believe them to be from the hand of Paul, while the other half argue for authorship by an anonymous author using Paul's name. I know this has little to do with your basic premise. I just thought I'd throw that in.

Oh yes, I'm very well aware of that. Strangely enough, I wrote a post on that very subject myself earlier on:

https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sho...&postcount=187

I was using the name "Paul" as a shorthand for "the pseudoepigrapha popularly attributed to Paul" . Whoever wrote them, though, the fact remains that their teaching is regarded as a part of the canon of the New Testament.

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Now you've hinted to Satan that you're interested, hes going to come into your life.

*NOW* that I've hinted? That ship sailed decades ago.

If he wants an active place in my life, he can arm-wrestle Eris for it.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

Point of contention, here: it's not "religious people" who have problems with evolution. It's specific sects of Christianity.

I'm of the opinion that the process of the evolution of life on Earth is the single most fascinating, profound, and important discovery ever made. If I seem to concentrate on that subset of True Believers, it is because it is the one that matters most to me.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Here-- this is you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

I'm gonna pray for you Ardeegus.

Dear Lord, Please let Ardeegus see that hes wasting his time with so much hate. Let him accept that theres a place for him in heaven, in THIS life, if only he'd give up hating. I pray for Ardeegus salvation.. yada yada yada...

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

I'm of the opinion that the process of the evolution of life on Earth is the single most fascinating, profound, and important discovery ever made. If I seem to concentrate on that subset of True Believers, it is because it is the one that matters most to me.

Oh your of the opinion are you? Well what about the discovery that if you just lay down your weapons and love your fellow man, things get better for everyone?! I'd say evolutions just a pawprint compared to that. Oh yeah and by the not everything about evolution is proved yet. Please read more about the life of Jesus....

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

*NOW* that I've hinted? That ship sailed decades ago.

If he wants an active place in my life, he can arm-wrestle Eris for it.

He may have you already... Watch out.

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

I'm of the opinion that the process of the evolution of life on Earth is the single most fascinating, profound, and important discovery ever made. If I seem to concentrate on that subset of True Believers, it is because it is the one that matters most to me.

Mmm, yes.

Word of God, a song about creation. From the author: This song was inspired when a friend of mine complained to me about a run-in with some Creationists, and asked "what can you say to such people?" The first words that popped out of my mouth were "humans wrote the bible. God wrote the rocks.

From desert cliff and mountaintop we trace the wide design,
Strike-slip fault and overthrust and syn and anticline. . .
We gaze upon creation where erosion makes it known,
And count the countless aeons in the banding of the stone.
Odd, long-vanished creatures and their tracks & shells are found;
Where truth has left its sketches on the slate below the ground.
The patient stone can speak, if we but listen when it talks.
Humans wrote the Bible; God wrote the rocks.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

If he wants an active place in my life, he can arm-wrestle Eris for it.

Just as long as you don't want to wrestle with Makemake.:

"Ancient Makemake might actually have begun as an epithet – Old Rapanui makemake means ‘tumescent (of the phallus)’ – of the leading deity Tangaroa, who, on Easter Island, appears to have usurped the creator role of Tiki te Hatu and / or Ta¯ne.""

-Quoted from Island at the End of the World by Steven Fischer

(notthatthere'sanythingwrongwiththat)

(Oh, and in case everyone isn't up to date on the Kuiper Belt Objects: http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/...y=OverviewLong)

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

Just as long as you don't want to wrestle with Makemake.:

"Ancient Makemake might actually have begun as an epithet – Old Rapanui makemake means ‘tumescent (of the phallus)’ – of the leading deity Tangaroa, who, on Easter Island, appears to have usurped the creator role of Tiki te Hatu and / or Ta¯ne.""

-Quoted from Island at the End of the World by Steven Fischer

(notthatthere'sanythingwrongwiththat)

(Oh, and in case everyone isn't up to date on the Kuiper Belt Objects: http://solarsystem.nasa.gov/planets/...y=OverviewLong)

I think instead of trying to be funny all the time, you should think seriously for just one second about your life and your beliefs. Go on challenge what you think, put it up for review.