Atheist zealots a heavy cross to bear

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

Cool story bro. However, your claim that atheism is not older than your religion is demonstrably false.

Recap:

Evidence any gods exist: zero.

Evidence the specific god you were taught to believe in exist: zero.

You don't know that this god exists - you merely believe it. Every single time you misrepresent your beliefs as facts, you are acting dishonestly.

Oh because you say so right? What do you know about atheism? Are you really an atheist or do you just wear the badge cause it feels good. You know I like folks who really stick up for what they believe in even if its different to me. Then I can really go to work. If you're just playing around... well you got a few more years of laughs ahead...

[weateallthepies]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Ah the question of God's image is an interesting one. I see no conflict there, and know conflict between evolution or religion, albeit evolution is a very incomplete, idea.

Evolution is a fact, it is verifiable. It is the method by which it occurs that is an idea, though a robust one which explains and predicts the wealth of evidence available. This is why I tend to use the long form "The Theory of evolution by natural selection" to be clear, it is not evolution that is the theory though the word theory takes on a different meaning when used in the scientific sense.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Donnageddon

You don't answer tough questions asked of you, do you. just prattle on about anything but a direct response. You just attack the questioner.

I am sorry, but you pedestrian diatribes are boring and decidedly unenlightening.

And your responses are predictably non-responsive.

Have a good life.

Well after just insulting me the whole time and debating to score points, now you're feeling superior about yourself. Can't you see through this nonsense. You actually haven't engaged with my points, and I think its maybe cause you're a little scared at the changes it could bring to your life. Its ok. Be scared. God is scary. But also wonderful.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by weateallthepies

Evolution is a fact, it is verifiable. It is the method by which it occurs that is an idea, though a robust one which explains and predicts the wealth of evidence available. This is why I tend to use the long form "The Theory of evolution by natural selection" to be clear, it is not evolution that is the theory though the word theory takes on a different meaning when used in the scientific sense.

Its a good idea, but they still can't demonstrate how it got started or "designed" hint hint. One thing I can't stand however is these arrogant evolutionists who think they have to fight off religion. They're missing the point. Evolution combined with atheism makes for a nasty combination.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

Cool story bro. However, your claim that atheism is not older than your religion is demonstrably false.

Recap:

Evidence any gods exist: zero.

Evidence the specific god you were taught to believe in exist: zero.

You don't know that this god exists - you merely believe it. Every single time you misrepresent your beliefs as facts, you are acting dishonestly.

So demonstrate.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Donnageddon

You don't answer tough questions asked of you, do you. just prattle on about anything but a direct response. You just attack the questioner.

I am sorry, but you pedestrian diatribes are boring and decidedly unenlightening.

And your responses are predictably non-responsive.

Have a good life.

You're not sorry.. and anyone reading your post can see your spiteful condescension.

[weateallthepies]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Its a good idea, but they still can't demonstrate how it got started or "designed" hint hint. One thing I can't stand however is these arrogant evolutionists who think they have to fight off religion. They're missing the point. Evolution combined with atheism makes for a nasty combination.

Why?

It doesn't require designing, that is the thrust of natural selection. Tiny changes, huge periods of time, environmental pressures, no designer is required.

I don't think there is anything arrogant in pointing out that science appears to contradict religious belief. I thought you didn't mind be challenged or offended?

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

What do you know about atheism? Are you really an atheist or do you just wear the badge cause it feels good. You know I like folks who really stick up for what they believe in even if its different to me. Then I can really go to work. If you're just playing around... well you got a few more years of laughs ahead...

Oh look, an ad hominem attack.

Atheism is lack of belief in any gods. I do not believe in any gods. Therefore I am an atheist. Really.

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Its a good idea, but they still can't demonstrate how it got started or "designed" hint hint. One thing I can't stand however is these arrogant evolutionists who think they have to fight off religion. They're missing the point. Evolution combined with atheism makes for a nasty combination.

Abiogenesis and evolution are two separate things, but evolution itself disproves the biblical creation myth.

I'm sorry reality sounds nasty to you.

Recap:

Evidence any gods exist: zero.

Evidence the specific god you were taught to believe in exist: zero.

You don't know that this god exists - you merely believe it. Every single time you misrepresent your beliefs as facts, you are acting dishonestly.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

So demonstrate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

Please don't simply say "don't give me a link" again. There are plenty of references there for you to follow up. It would be pointless (and illegal) to copy the text of all those books into this thread.

If you genuinely believe that atheism does not have a history that extends further back than Christianity then you are taking a contrary position to the commentators and historians referenced in that page.

Graham

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

Oh look, an ad hominem attack.

Atheism is lack of belief in any gods. I do not believe in any gods. Therefore I am an atheist. Really.



Abiogenesis and evolution are two separate things, but evolution itself disproves the biblical creation myth.

I'm sorry reality sounds nasty to you.

Recap:

Evidence any gods exist: zero.

Evidence the specific god you were taught to believe in exist: zero.

You don't know that this god exists - you merely believe it. Every single time you misrepresent your beliefs as facts, you are acting dishonestly.

Yeah but you don't know the history of the atheist movement. It just sounds good to you.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Graham

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

Please don't simply say "don't give me a link" again. There are plenty of references there for you to follow up. It would be pointless (and illegal) to copy the text of all those books into this thread.

If you genuinely believe that atheism does not have a history that extends further back than Christianity then you are taking a contrary position to the commentators and historians referenced in that page.

Graham

Ok, I'll check it out. Thanks for the link. Funny I thought the word atheism only came about in the 16th century.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by weateallthepies

Evolution is a fact, it is verifiable. It is the method by which it occurs that is an idea, though a robust one which explains and predicts the wealth of evidence available. This is why I tend to use the long form "The Theory of evolution by natural selection" to be clear, it is not evolution that is the theory though the word theory takes on a different meaning when used in the scientific sense.

Yes but it needs to be demonstrated how it works, without God. I mean how do we go from bits of clay to Gorillas. No ones ever succeeded in showing how the process begins.

[Graham]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Ok, I'll check it out. Thanks for the link. Funny I thought the word atheism only came about in the 16th century.

Yes, the term "atheism" is that recent, but the concepts go way back.

Graham

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Yeah but you don't know the history of the atheist movement. It just sounds good to you.

That's completely ridiculous. It's like telling somebody who does not believe in leprechauns that he does not know the history of lack of belief in leprechauns, and it just sounds good to him.

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Yes but it needs to be demonstrated how it works, without God. I mean how do we go from bits of clay to Gorillas. No ones ever succeeded in showing how the process begins.

1. Logical fallacy: god of the gaps / appeal to ignorance.

2. Even if some supernatural agent is involved, there is zero evidence connecting it to the specific god you believe in.

Should I recap?