Atheist zealots a heavy cross to bear

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

terrazoids, do you KNOW that the god you believe in exists, or do you merely BELIEVE it?

Oh yes. I know. And I hope you'll soon know too. Trust me, it aint gonna get in the way of your physics studies!!

[sweevo]

Using logic:

There's zero evidence any gods exist.

There's zero evidence the specific god you believe in exists.

That makes the belief in the god you believe in... well... insane.

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Oh yes. I know. And I hope you'll soon know too. Trust me, it aint gonna get in the way of your physics studies!!

If you KNOW, that means you have actual evidence. Present your evidence.

And I have no reason to trust you any more than I have reason to trust people who believe in different gods and claim they exist.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Donnageddon

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Ok buddy, why don't you step out on a limb and say what you think. This isn't a funny business. No Joke. We are talking about where your soul is going after you die. If you think thats funny, you're in for a nasty surprise. And I'm not going to be laughing when it happens. I'm gonna be real sorry. You were more on point when you were offended.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

Using logic:

There's zero evidence any gods exist.

There's zero evidence the specific god you believe in exists.

That makes the belief in the god you believe in... well... insane.

Its right in front of your eyes. God speaks to you everyday, you're just not listening.

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Its right in front of your eyes. God speaks to you everyday, you're just not listening.

Provide evidence for your claim.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

If you KNOW, that means you have actual evidence. Present your evidence.

And I have no reason to trust you any more than I have reason to trust people who believe in different gods and claim they exist.

I won't talk about my personal experiences on this forum, but suffice it to say that I've been through trials and doubts in my life, but now I know. God speaks to people personally.

Apart from that... theres a growing body of evidence coming from near death experience that gives a glimpse as to whats going on increasingly backed up by scientists and physicians. Also there is the historical record of Jesus's life and his subsequent effect as a force for good upon society afterwards (for all you nitpickers out there, I'm not saying that evil hasn't been done in the name of religion). Then theres the overwhelming accounts of ordinary people throughout history who believe in God and his son. Atheism's a new thing remember that. It'll pass.

[weateallthepies]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

The reason why religious groups sometimes get in the way of scientific research, is that they perceive scientists do no think of of the moral consequences of their actions. Many scientists are atheist and so postulate that because they have a high level of education in one area this entitles them to pursue a potentially damaging from of knowledge as there is no reason why not to (or the 'pursuit of knowledge'). Sometimes they even convince themselves that a certain plainly evil device is actually good for the world, as the famous case concerning the thermonuclear bomb. They're looking for these false moralities in order to justify their research and enable them to continue in their path. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should. Many people posted about how they don't need religion to live ethically. That may be true but its dangerous. Its all about perspective. Point of view. Whom do you place as the center of your universe. People don't intentionally subvert normal moral rules, or course not. Even many atheists are living normal ethical lives, sure. Where it gets tricky is in cases where a person defines an activity as part of 'who they are' or has a very strong desire to do something but needs some belief system to back it up. This is when a person may choose to modify a moral rule for personal gain. Theres mild examples of this and extreme. Politicians telling a white lie to protect their reputations to Jeffrey Dahmer praying at an idol made of his victims skulls so he could continue exploring the evil he was obsessed with.

Persecuting people who think differently, Priests abusing children, justifying slavery and war...yeah I'm getting the hang of this.

I'm not sure how knowledge in itself is damaging. The application of knowledge can be for sure but history shows that religion doesn't seem to stop people doing just that.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

Provide evidence for your claim.

Provide evidence for how scientific knowledge contradicts the need for a creator.

[Donnageddon]

Originally Posted by sweevo

Provide evidence for your claim.

That seems a reasonable request. what say you, terrazoids?

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

I won't talk about my personal experiences on this forum, but suffice it to say that I've been through trials and doubts in my life, but now I know. God speaks to people personally.

Provide evidence for your claim.

There are other people who think other gods speak to them.

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Apart from that... theres a growing body of evidence coming from near death experience that gives a glimpse as to whats going on increasingly backed up by scientists and physicians.

[Citation needed]. Near death experiences are the result of a brain shutting down due to lack of oxygen. We can induce them using ketamine.

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Also there is the historical record of Jesus's life and his subsequent effect as a force for good upon society afterwards

So historical, nobody wrote a word about the guy while he was alive, or for decades after his death.

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Then theres the overwhelming accounts of ordinary people throughout history who believe in God and his son.

Appeal to popularity logical fallacy.

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Atheism's a new thing remember that. It'll pass.

It's older than your religion.

In conclusion, you have failed to provide any evidence for your claim. You don't know your religion is true, you just believe it's true, and every single time you misrepresent it as fact, you are lying.

[Donnageddon]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Provide evidence for how scientific knowledge contradicts the need for a creator.

As has been stated repeatedly, it is irrational to expect anyone to prove a negative.

The ball is in your court, terrazoid. Provide evidence for your claim.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Donnageddon

That seems a reasonable request. what say you, terrazoids?

It is a reasonable request. Look into near death experience. But this is off the point. Look God revealed himself many times to people. You think people were making up the same thing again and again?

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Provide evidence for how scientific knowledge contradicts the need for a creator.

Logical fallacy: negative proof / burden of proof.

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

God revealed himself many times to people.

Provide evidence for your claims.

Originally Posted by terrazoids

You think people were making up the same thing again and again?

They may genuinely believe; however, as I have explained, that is no evidence. And many people believe that different gods have revealed themselves to them.