Atheist zealots a heavy cross to bear

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Laz116

A good start could be empathy... looking at your fellow man, putting yourself in his place. But you don't do that, if you have all the answers before actually meeting your fellow man, do you?

Morality is about the relation and interaction between people. Therefore a final morality based on something external to that relation is inherently wrong. It hasn't got anything to do with morality at all, but everything to do with passing judgments.

So many people keep accusing me of this.. Where did I write that i have all the answers. If I wrote it I take it back. Go through the posts and find where I said that.

also your argument about morality just doesn't make any sense. Why would people act morally if they knew they could get an advantage over someone else by being immoral. Whats wrong with getting an advantage over someone else. If your truly an atheist, you'll admit that theres nothing wrong with that.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by badgoodDeb

It's also true that a lot of people who claim christianity are a "pain in the back of people". In fact, Jesus said ... well, it wasn't quite that ... but he said that a lot of people who use His name will find out that they never really knew Him, and "I (Jesus) never knew you".

No true Christian would...

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Elfwreck

“Those who are slaves must consider their masters worthy of all respect, so that no one will speak evil of the name of God and of our teaching. Slaves belonging to Christian masters must not despise them, for they are their brothers.” (1 Timothy 6:1-2).

"Let your women keep silence in the churches" (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

"Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands, that if any obey not the Word, they also may be won without the word by the conduct of their wives" (1 Peter 3:1)

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives." (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)

The animal sacrifices are too many to count; human sacrifices are somewhat rarer, except for the notable one in the center of the religion.

You clearly haven't even grappled with the basics here. There was no human sacrifice. There was an execution.

[Bilbo1967]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

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also your argument about morality just doesn't make any sense. Why would people act morally if they knew they could get an advantage over someone else by being immoral. Whats wrong with getting an advantage over someone else. If your truly an atheist, you'll admit that theres nothing wrong with that.

This has to be one of the most asinine and naive comments I have ever read.

Just sayin ....

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Why would people act morally if they knew they could get an advantage over someone else by being immoral. Whats wrong with getting an advantage over someone else. If your truly an atheist, you'll admit that theres nothing wrong with that.

So you believe that if you stopped believing in any gods, you'd have no problem stealing, raping and killing?

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

This has to be one of the most asinine and naive comments I have ever read.

Just sayin ....

explain, or stop saying.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

some stuff has been read by the poster.

what exactly have you read?

Originally Posted by terrazoids

Well one internationally known award writer should recognize another internationally known award writer.

You should read the bit about the slavery in Tibet and some of the practices.

I didn't say I was a writer. I said I was internationally known and award winning. see how easy it is to imply a level of expertise that doesn't exist? I skimmed through the quite frankly B.S. that was on that site. he sounds like a mouthpiece for China that would like everyone to believe thusly

Originally Posted by ardeegee

That is utterly normal behavior for a fundie Christian-- a chronic unwillingness to as much as touch any questions that in any way can't be spun to their explicit message. For anyone who has spent a long time hanging around science forums-- especially biology and astronomy, and especially on usenet-- people like this poster are a nickel a thousand. And I'm glad that he showed up, because dealing with people like him every day is exactly what leads to militant/zealot atheists.

yeah I know, I used to hang around on a lot of Pagan boards and we would get the same spiel

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by sweevo

So you believe that if you stopped believing in any gods, you'd have no problem stealing, raping and killing?

Again, Nope.

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

You clearly haven't even grappled with the basics here. There was no human sacrifice. There was an execution.

http://www.thebricktestament.com/jud...r/jg11_34.html

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

You clearly haven't even grappled with the basics here. There was no human sacrifice. There was an execution.

how quickly you forget your old testament

Originally Posted by sweevo

So you believe that if you stopped believing in any gods, you'd have no problem stealing, raping and killing?

some of the most amoral and hypocritical people I have known are the biggest bible thumpers around

[Bilbo1967]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

explain, or stop saying.

Really, it's not my problem you're too stupid to understand and I have no interest in trying to enlighten somebody who is absolutely determined to live his/her life by an outdated, inexplicable, contradictory code.

[Laz116]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

So many people keep accusing me of this.. Where did I write that i have all the answers. If I wrote it I take it back. Go through the posts and find where I said that.

also your argument about morality just doesn't make any sense. Why would people act morally if they knew they could get an advantage over someone else by being immoral. Whats wrong with getting an advantage over someone else. If your truly an atheist, you'll admit that theres nothing wrong with that.

Maybe because people have the ability to feel empathy.

Gaining an advantage by suppressing others also means that others may gain and advantage by suppressing you. Unless you like being supressed, then naturally you wouldn't want to do upon others what you wouldn't want to be done to yourself.

[terrazoids]

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

what exactly have you read?



I didn't say I was a writer. I said I was internationally known and award winning. see how easy it is to imply a level of expertise that doesn't exist? I skimmed through the quite frankly B.S. that was on that site. he sounds like a mouthpiece for China that would like everyone to believe thusly



yeah I know, I used to hang around on a lot of Pagan boards and we would get the same spiel

I like international types... So which awards did you win? Gee I've read a few books. It'd be hard to name them all.

[Elfwreck]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

You clearly haven't even grappled with the basics here. There was no human sacrifice. There was an execution.

Then how did it pay for people's sins? I thought that was the central point: his sacrifice was so people no longer had to die or kill animals to pay for their sins.

[sweevo]

Originally Posted by terrazoids

also your argument about morality just doesn't make any sense. Why would people act morally if they knew they could get an advantage over someone else by being immoral. Whats wrong with getting an advantage over someone else. If your truly an atheist, you'll admit that theres nothing wrong with that.

terrazoids, why do YOU act morally? is it just your religious beliefs that cause you to do so? If you stopped believing in any gods, would you still act morally? Why?