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Old 09-21-2010, 05:45 PM   #226
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you're stuck in a little square. Understand that God is not a person.
That's nice. The god described by your religion still acts in immoral ways.

Additionally, your "Satan" is not a person either. But you'll still argue he acts immorally.
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That's the catch 22. Morality does by default not apply to a god!
Why not? Because some religions say it doesn't? Some religions acknowledge moral and immoral deities.
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Oh well, a wiki definition. So you think you can sum me up?. Apply your quote to yourself before summing me up.
I was only summing up the ideas you've portrayed so far on the forum. If those ideas describe you then so be it. The wiki definition was only provided to to give you a simple definition of what a fundamentalist was as you seemed uncertain.
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It describes a god who is love ... but who is also righteous, and can't even have a normal person touch his ark without dying. I don't like the Old Testament either, and I can't explain much of it. What I think I hear that part saying is how holy God is, and that the 'other' nations were wrong in their worshipping, *and* that the Israelites couldn't please Him either.

So He came down and paid the debt Himself, knowing that none of us could reach His standards.

I hope to ask Him for an explanation (during the long not-time available in Heaven) cause it's beyond my human brain to figure Him out.
I like this reply. This is humility. It is hard to understand the reasons behind things and also hard to understand what happens in our own life. Thats why it helps to keep praying to God for guidance, and to listen to what you know is right.
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*SNIP* Common people really, oh and by the way I wouldn't let someone called "Snitch Nhat Han " out of my sight for one little second let alone read a book by him. Oh yeah, and did you hear about that guy the so called Dalai Lama who used to keep slaves at the palace for his convenience !? (Yeah Really!) Until a bunch of communists took them away, and his nice palace while they were at it. By the way, that is just the true meaning of divine justice… God likes to pit the transgressors against themselves in eternal war until they WAKE UP on out of it.
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I would REALLY like to see some legit information backing up that statement. and by legit, I don't mean a link to some religious website that is focused on stirring folks up about other religions.

first of all, do you even realize that this ummm "path" you are so vehemently defending is a copycat religion? every major "myth" supporting both christianity and even judaism have firm roots in much older and actually longer lived religions.

here's some suggested reading for you.... start out with the "Epic of Gilgamesh", then pick up something on Zoroaster, then try some heavy duty reading about the religions of ancient Egypt, not just the stuff you learned in 6th grade when they taught about the pyramids.

most cultures have flood myths, dying and reborn king myths, virgin birth myths and pretty much everything else the modern christian bible is based on.

you are lecturing these fine folks about having closed minds, I dare you to do some reading outside of your comfort zone
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It describes a god who is love, but still hates some people. I wonder if he loves and hates them at the same time.
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I was only summing up the ideas you've portrayed so far on the forum. If those ideas describe you then so be it. The wiki definition was only provided to to give you a simple definition of what a fundamentalist was.
How about you describe to me what you think a fundamentalist is..
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I like this reply. This is humility. It is hard to understand the reasons behind things and also hard to understand what happens in our own life. Thats why it helps to keep praying to God for guidance, and to listen to what you know is right.
I'm not praying to a deity who kills infants for their parent's sins.
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You mean believers in a specific god are willing to overlook any immoral acts allegedly committed by it.
Kinda! That's the thing... theoretically if you're a god you can do whatever you want so the rules of your creations don't apply to you. Well.. the christians don't think it's bad that god kills so many people because of temper tantrums =/
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Kinda! That's the thing... theoretically if you're a god you can do whatever you want so the rules of your creations don't apply to you.
Special pleading fallacy on God's behalf.
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It describes a god who is love ... but who is also righteous, and can't even have a normal person touch his ark without dying. I don't like the Old Testament either, and I can't explain much of it.
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I hope to ask Him for an explanation (during the long not-time available in Heaven) cause it's beyond my human brain to figure Him out.
bgD, all I can do is encourage you to follow your instincts-- if it doesn't make sense to you, ask yourself if it might just be because it doesn't make sense. Not what your pastor tells you, not what your Christian friends and family tell you, not what study guides tell you-- look at the bible yourself and really ask yourself does this make sense?

Read all three of these articles and really think about them, then really think what you believe about the bible.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16779055/T...-by-Carl-Sagan

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16779050/B...ichael-Shermer

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16779053/C...-by-James-Lett

And then maybe you might be willing to take a look at this book by Dan Barker, or at least download the sample chapters here to one of your several reading devices.
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How about you describe to me what you think a fundamentalist is..
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It describes a god who is love, but still hates some people. I wonder if he loves and hates them at the same time.
Dont you think thats a silly idea?
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No no no! He's *almost* started coming up with actual debatable points. Don't run him off now!
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