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Old 09-21-2010, 04:37 PM   #166
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Is that the one with lots of genocide, rape, adultery, & murder stories?

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's got a lot of nifty spiritual passages, but just reading the book from start to finish doesn't lead to warm feelings about the deity described.
Just wanted to add: endorsed slavery, racism, sexism and incest a-la Fritzl. Or do we just "skip" those parts?
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Is that the one with lots of genocide, rape, adultery, & murder stories?

If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's got a lot of nifty spiritual passages, but just reading the book from start to finish doesn't lead to warm feelings about the deity described.
Heh heh, Thats sounds like the one! Oh, its not supposed to lead to warm feelings no more than any history book is.
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That is very perceptive of you. As an atheist, I read your post, and was a little bit scared.
LOL - exactly what I was thinking. We watch all those scary fundamentalists on the TV but don't realise that they're creeping around in our backyard to. If I do need to know anything about god then I just go this site.
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That is very perceptive of you. As an atheist, I read your post, and was a little bit scared.
Ah yes... If you were a cake, I bet you'd taste real sour. You missed the point, theres no need to be scared.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:43 PM   #170
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Theres simplicity in what you say and truth. Love God, love others. Thats the path to heaven. I'm on your side.
But you do still have to go through the "Door" to the path - accept that you can't be good enough, on your own. No how, no way. Then allow Jesus to pay your way.
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LOL - exactly what I was thinking. We watch all those scary fundamentalists on the TV but don't realise that they're creeping around in our backyard to. If I do need to know anything about god then I just go this site.
I'm not a fundamentalist.
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accept that you can't be good enough, on your own. No how, no way.
P.S. That's what all the nastiness in the book is meant to show. Even the individuals God picked, can't be good enough.
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P.S. That's what all the nastiness in the book is meant to show. Even the individuals God picked, can't be good enough.
No. The "nastiness" was the following of the direct orders of God. The Israelite in the Bible didn't commit genocide and all their other crimes in spite of God-- they did it because they were told by God to do it.

So, yes, it shows nastiness. Just not what you want to believe that it shows.
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Heh heh, Thats sounds like the one! Oh, its not supposed to lead to warm feelings no more than any history book is.
Is one supposed to get the impression that it describes a god of love? 'Cos that's not what I got from it.
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Nice riposte. However, I've read a lot of the one you're recommending, along with various commentaries and histories. Would you like one on Buddhism?

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Great! I've got nothing against books. But its important to divide ideas that are linked to Truth from ideas which are merely ideas. Also I've just got to point out that theres quite a lot of evidence (and this is just an idea) that the story of Buddhas life became mixed with the life of Jesus at a certain point. This is a pretty vast topic but the idea has to do with the fact that the story of Buddha was not written down until after the crucifixion (supposedly).
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No. The "nastiness" was the following of the direct orders of God. The Israelite in the Bible didn't commit genocide and all their other crimes in spite of God-- they did it because they were told by God to do it.

So, yes, it shows nastiness. Just not what you want to believe that it shows.
Things changed when Jesus showed up.
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Is one supposed to get the impression that it describes a god of love? 'Cos that's not what I got from it.
God loves, but God is Just. What do you think the last judgement is all about?!
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Now when you live in a world where God doesn't exist, all of a sudden there are no moral boundaries any more! Why not kill someone?
You'd start killing people if you lost your faith?
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I'm not a fundamentalist.
The wiki definition is Fundamentalism refers to a belief in a strict adherence to specific set of theological doctrines which seems to sum you up quite well. I guess many people believe themselves to be one thing while the mirror states something else.
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It's a shame this Jesus character didn't clearly and explicitly tell his followers that they are no longer expected to kill "witches".

It's still going on:

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-08-25/w...ge?_s=PM:WORLD

It's a shame so many religious people don't admit their beliefs are just beliefs, and try to claim they are facts.
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